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It is no wonder you are bothered by this. The name and role should both have accents. Or, the name and role should not have accents. As it is, this is not only confusing but contradictory.

As the rules for credits only state that "If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead" it could be argued that we follow the same rules for both cast and role names, so in Surfeur's example we would get:

Invelos proposed Rules        Francois Berleand          Le Pere de la mariee

However, for non-english film titles we are specifically told to "use capitalization rules common to the language of the title." Which means that if LE PERE DE LA MARIEE was the title of a French film we would have to use "Le Père de la mariée".
Similarly with overviews, we are told to "enter the overview using standard capitalization rules for the locality of the DVD." So again we have an inconsistency in the rules.
It is very confusing when we are told to use one set of capitalisation for some fields and another set for other fields. 

I hqave got far too many things which are far more important to worry Yves droning on again . The Rukles do make sense and they are logical unless you can't get past your cultural biases, which is evidently the case. I suggest that you people take your protest to the filmmakers and try and convince them to follwo your wishes, they'll laugh you out of the office. But since we follow the credits and do not include data which does NOT appear On Screen. The program as i have said repeatedly is culturally BLIND, it's culture is the data that appears On screen, not what your culture or your imagination thinks it is. This is NOT IMDb, they do use fictional data all the time and you can track 10,000 titles for free...go use them.

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Francois is also a legitimate French name, pronounced Frankoa.

     
Where have you seen that ? Francois would be pronounced Frankoa, but is cerlainly not a legitimate name. It just doesn' t exist.

One of your own countrymen provided that information in one of your rants, amigo

Can you point to that post? I have no doubt about the pronunciation if it were French. And I have no doubt that the spelling exists as a derivation of the French name and is still pronounced like the French original (specially used by people migrated from France to the USA). But I really doubt that it is still a legitimate French name.

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BTW they are not Invelos PRPOSED Rules, they are the Rules, they have been reinforced by Ken Cole himself long ago, long before you cmae from Spot, north. It's settled and has been. I have suggested a method that would allow Yves to have his wish and even allow the Asian(Oriental) name fans to have what they wish, but so far Ken has not followed through on that suggestion.

         

BTW the rules themselves do not prohibit the correct conversion from C to c or ç when appropriate. It's only stated in a post by Ken deep down in the Forum which most profiler users will never read. But that's a completely different story.

You are simply following the culture, kathy, which is not relevant. It absolutely makes sense to have no accent on one and yet an accent on the role, that is the choice the filmmaker made. We do not include fictional data. If the accents are there, then by all means use them, if they are not then you don't. It's not what the culture says, Kathy, it's what the credit says. Ken reinforced this. To paraphrase an old political phrase, it's the data, stupid. That is not an offensive remark but it does certainly drive the point home, it is not the culture.

You try to anger me by your interchange of name, that does not do anything of the sort Kathy. Ken settled this, byt surfeur drones and whines on and on and I keep trying to 'splain it to Looooocy. He can't or won't (I don't know which but I have my suspicions) understand the simplest of concepts. It is about the credits NOT any culture. If you see Jean Wayne On Screen, you better not enter John Wayne, even though you can identify him and it is the man we know as John Wayne, the credit says Jean Wayne.

If inconsistency drives you crazy then why are you supporting it. What Yves wants is inconsistency in and of itself, he wants to be able define the credits HIS way, not the filmmakers.

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Inconsistency drives me crazy - all it does is lead to confusion. The end result is that there is there can not be a correct answer.

Tell me about it! 
That's why I always preferred Gerri's initial statement as it brought all capitalisation in line - it was consistent. Unfortunately Ken's clarification has caused a conflict now which I personally think is causing more conflicts than solutions.

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Inconsistency drives me crazy - all it does is lead to confusion. The end result is that there is there can not be a correct answer.

Tell me about it! 
That's why I always preferred Gerri's initial statement as it brought all capitalisation in line - it was consistent. Unfortunately Ken's clarification has caused a conflict now which I personally think is causing more conflicts than solutions.

No it doesn't, north, not at all, unless someone wants to create controversy and chaos which yves DOES and always has. Inconsistency is acknowledging ANY culture and permitting fictional data, that makes us IMDb or some of the other Online Dbs.

I repeat I have suggested a solution that would give Yves what he wants and still maintain the integrity of the ACTUAL credits, and i wish Ken would accept that option. Simply allow it go through the Credited As system, that's fine. Yves can list François with Credit of Francois to his hearts delight, he will be happy  and we all win, not that will stop him he will then drone on about his ability to discern typos, once again not understanding it's about the data not what he thinks it is. But, if Ken will allow the use of the CA system for this and other cultural issues...hey I'm all for that.

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I think I see what Surfeur means. If the word FRANCOIS was in the role, title or overview field of a French DVD then François is allowed by the rules. But not in cast name.

Yes, that is right.

A little more explanation (in French, easier for me than in Spanish...):

On screen :                      FRANCOIS BERLEAND    LE PERE DE LA MARIEE
French capitalization rules    François Berléand          Le Père de la mariée
Invelos proposed Rules        Francois Berleand          Le Père de la mariée

Contributors would have to remove accents in name and leave them in role. Logical ???

No, it is not logical. I never realized when changing the role to lower case the rules tell you to add the required accent but in the case of the name you don't. 

So you could have a case where the credit reads:
On screen:                      FRANCOIS BERLEAND    FRANCOIS JONES
Which would give you:        Francois Berleand          François Jones


It's actually kinda funny.  (unless of course you are from a country dealing with this I guess      )