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I doo't care whatb you think about Special effects as compared to Visual effects. the FACT is that Special effects are allowed by the crew chart under Visual effects. your interpretation is against the Rules and one of your own creation not Invelos'. So just follow the Rules, huh. .

From the Rules Crew Chart
Visual Effects  Individual Credits:
Visual/Digital/Special/Special Visual Effects, including Designer, Supervisor, and Director
Visual Effects, special Effects, digital effects, Special Visual Effects.
Alos NOTE the careful use of the word including, which would not exclude robotic SES or simply Special Effects Crew

Your vote said
"Robotics special effects are not a kind of visual effects at all (visual effects are done in post)"
So you ignored the rules and created your own definition.

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And I'm equally not  surprised that you don't comment the facts that I argue. The role is Visual Effects. By your standard any Special Effects would be included, even Audio Special Effects, if there was such a title. Any prefix, right?

These are 'art' credits so, in my opinion, they have to be visual.  I do, however, see where you are coming from and it gives me pause.  If the only thing that matters is the main credit, and any prefix is allowed, we water down the value of the data. 

With that definition even acting is a visual effect (though of course not credited as such) 
AFAIK the division of special effects into practical effects and visual effects is an established trade definition. I don't know where it would lead if we start to totally ignore such definitions.

And as always Skip keeps repeating his mantra (mixed with insults) rather than answering any specific questions, such as where it would lead if we keep ignoring prefixes even outside of visual effects.

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And I'm equally not  surprised that you don't comment the facts that I argue. The role is Visual Effects. By your standard any Special Effects would be included, even Audio Special Effects, if there was such a title. Any prefix, right?

These are 'art' credits so, in my opinion, they have to be visual.  I do, however, see where you are coming from and it gives me pause.  If the only thing that matters is the main credit, and any prefix is allowed, we water down the value of the data. 

With that definition even acting is a visual effect (though of course not credited as such) 
AFAIK the division of special effects into practical effects and visual effects is an established trade definition. I don't know where it would lead if we start to totally ignore such definitions.

And as always Skip keeps repeating his mantra (mixed with insults) rather than answering any specific questions, such as where it would lead if we keep ignoring prefixes even outside of visual effects.

Oh God, I love it, gunnar, you don't even see how insulting you are when you start your circular argument garbage. Or as you said some might call you confused.          

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LOL, Gunnar, my friend you truly have no idea. I respond to the attitude and insults i get, and you don't even begin to understand how insulting you areOr how bad your logic usually is. Then you will ask a question and proceed to fight over the answer.Which is why I have begun ignoring your questions, I don't have time for the BS, sorry.You are not innocent don't even pretend.   And it hurts me to say that, but it's the absolute truth from where i sit.

BTW the more I see of these ridculous discussions the more I become convincedd that the ONLY way to stop them is with Open creds. Much as I hate the idea, i hate these endless arguments even more, I have yet to see one that is not senseless and winds up destroying the fun for us all. Open creds, warts and all, see it list it the way you see it and in the same order. You can list as much or as much as you wish.  From an update POV we simply have the ability to decide exactly which pieces of data we can accept for our local. And who knows we might find a Key Grip who becomes a world renowned director or producer. Or a caterer that becomes the next Emeril Lagasse. Maybe even an accountant that becomes the next Bernie Madoff.

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Yes, Gunnar, you are.

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I'm insulting...?

No, I haven't seen a single posting from you which could be considered insulting yet.

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I'm insulting...?

No, I haven't seen a single posting from you which could be considered insulting yet.

Different strokes for different folks. Rho, you aren't sitting in my chair, you can't speak for anyone but yourself. I have told Gunnar this many times and he just doesn't see it...that's fine...it doesn't make it not true, nor does your opinion invalidate my own. Thank you.

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