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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantDr. Killpatient
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Quoting mdnitoil:
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And at the end of the day, what exactly is the big deal?  This is just the sort of meaningless minutia that makes casual observers laugh their butts off at us.  It gets tedious trying to defend this program on various message boards because, really, there's no defense for this kind of stuff.

Well, I do believe that the Bosses did say that they tend to let this go on for a few (dozen) pages so that they can get a good idea on both (or multiple) sides of the argument.  Then they rule.

Now, just getting that last part out....
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I think I would have to treat them as capital letters. 

"In typography, small capitals (usually abbreviated small caps) are uppercase (capital) characters set at the same height as surrounding lowercase (small) letters or text figures. They are used in running text to prevent capitalized words from appearing too large on the page, and as a method of emphasis or distinctiveness for text alongside or instead of italics, or when boldface is inappropriate."

I do not think they were intended as lower case letters, but upper case.  If the entire name were set at the uppercase of the rest of the overview, then it would seem awfully large.
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The only way Rho's argument would have any relevance would be IF, God Forbid Ken gives Font, Size and yes even color, then i can just see the arguments over all three. Please God, don't do that to us.<shivering at the thought>

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Quoting hal9g:
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Quoting Unicus69:
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While an "N" is meant to give the impression of an 'n', it isn't an 'n'.


An "N" isn't an "N" either, in this context.


With all respect, I think you are incorrect.  I do feel that it is representative of an "N" in this situation.
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Quoting CharlieM:
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Quoting hal9g:
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Quoting Unicus69:
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While an "N" is meant to give the impression of an 'n', it isn't an 'n'.


An "N" isn't an "N" either, in this context.


With all respect, I think you are incorrect.  I do feel that it is representative of an "N" in this situation.



I agree with hal9g. An "N" isn't an "N" either.
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Quoting CharlieM:
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Quoting hal9g:
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Quoting Unicus69:
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While an "N" is meant to give the impression of an 'n', it isn't an 'n'.


An "N" isn't an "N" either, in this context.


With all respect, I think you are incorrect.  I do feel that it is representative of an "N" in this situation.


The statements above are not about what the "N" represents.  Unicus stated that it is not an "n".  I stated that it is not an "N".  Both of those statements are correct.

He (and you) claim that the "N" represents an "N", presumably because it looks like a little "N".

I claim that it represents an "n", based on reasoning already presented above that I won't repeat. 

You have to take the context into account when deciding what is correct.  Clearly, the author wanted to differentiate between the first letter of each name and the rest of the letters in the name by making them larger, in other words, the other letters are diminutive to the first letter.  This is the standard way of "capitalizing" proper names.  By capitalizing all of the letters, the distinction made by the author is lost and the name is not properly capitalized.
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You are not looking at the entire context of the overview.

In the rest of the overview, there are proper names and proper capitalization without using small caps.  The only time that small caps are used are with the proper names of the actual actors. 

While I will grant you, in a lot of situations, the small caps would be representative of lower case letters, if the rest of the overview were written that way.  Obviously someone wanted to "emphasize" the actors names. 

In typography, small capitals (usually abbreviated small caps) are uppercase (capital) characters set at the same height as surrounding lowercase (small) letters or text figures. They are used in running text to prevent capitalized words from appearing too large on the page, and as a method of emphasis or distinctiveness for text alongside or instead of italics, or when boldface is inappropriate.

If you look at the bolded section of from above, I believe that the case can be made that the names are entirely capitalized, but do to appearance they are represented by small caps.

I am not making this judgment on what it "Looks" like, but on my belief of what it is.
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Quoting Katatonia:
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All caps, exactly as it appears.


Exactly as it appears. And how is that?

ANTHONY HOPKINS
BRAD PITT

or

ANTHONY HOPKINS
BRAD PITT

ANTHONY HOPKINS = Anthony Hopkins
BRAD PITT = Brad Pitt

ANTHONY HOPKINS = ANTHONY HOPKINS
BRAD PITT = BRAD PITT

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Quoting CharlieM:
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You are not looking at the entire context of the overview.

In the rest of the overview, there are proper names and proper capitalization without using small caps.  The only time that small caps are used are with the proper names of the actual actors. 

While I will grant you, in a lot of situations, the small caps would be representative of lower case letters, if the rest of the overview were written that way.  Obviously someone wanted to "emphasize" the actors names. 

In typography, small capitals (usually abbreviated small caps) are uppercase (capital) characters set at the same height as surrounding lowercase (small) letters or text figures. They are used in running text to prevent capitalized words from appearing too large on the page, and as a method of emphasis or distinctiveness for text alongside or instead of italics, or when boldface is inappropriate.

If you look at the bolded section of from above, I believe that the case can be made that the names are entirely capitalized, but do to appearance they are represented by small caps.

I am not making this judgment on what it "Looks" like, but on my belief of what it is.


And I quoted this text earlier in support of the fact that they are lower case letters:

Quoting Wikipedia:
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Many word processors and text formatting systems include an option to format text in caps and small caps; this leaves uppercase letters as they are, but converts lowercase letters to small caps.
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Well, Hal, I guess we will have to agree to disagree.  I can see the argument either way.

Who knows, maybe it is all wrong and  a demented plot by the typographer to confuse us profilers.  

This is just another situation, where we cannot duplicate a printed material in a purely text based situation.
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Quoting CharlieM:
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I can see the argument either way.


As can I.
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Which is why to have it consistent we need an official ruling as each side will contribute and vote per the way they believe is right. Until then I believe any idea of consistency is out the window.
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I've got to go back to the one question that we've never gotten an answer for...  Why are we capturing the overview in text?  Without this knowledge, it's difficult to know what may or may not be important.

I can see capturing it as text since it is sometimes difficult to read the scanned cover, especially if you are using low resolution images.  Also, you can search the text, but I can't remember if the overview is part of the search.  For either purpose, the typographical information is not very important.
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See Ken's posting....
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Thank You Gerri! 
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Quoting Gerri Cole:
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In this case, the letters are mixed case, since some are smaller and some are larger. I would go ahead and submit it as mixed case.


They are not mixed case! Look that them and you will see they are all caps with the first letter being a larger font.

The rest of the overview is of mixed case but not the two names.
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