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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,488 |
| | Posted: | | | | Have to agree with Skip , Full Frame does not mean a 16x9 image 'full frame corner to corner,.'
That is ONLY the beauty of an anamorphic wide screen and it is Not Full Frame or Full Screen..
Take away todays technology and go back a few years then follow that trail back another 50 years.
Academy ratio of 1.33:1 ( every one and third inch sideways and One Inch high** )
** or other increment of measure
Always keep in mind 'that' image as it looks within a 4:3 TV screen., (to me anamorphic 1:78 is 'full frame' but only my HDTV... and on the bedroom TV it is letterbox .... )
( p.s. see my post above .) ... | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
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| Registered: March 24, 2007 | | Posts: 240 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've been waiting for this to bite Hollywood on the A#&... For most people seeing Full Frame/Screen on the box = No Black Bars. It's been like that since VHS. They would not know what 1.33:1 is if you drew them a picture... Now they are all buying wide screen TVs and I've witnessed two fools at best buy bitching at sales staff about black bars on their full screen DVDs...  And most DVDs say FULL SCREEN not full frame. I wonder if Hollywood is going to start using WideScreen = 16:9 = no black bars on HDTV. Are we going to start seeing 2.4:1 and 1.33:1 material cropped to 1.78:1 for the no black bars types? I only know of one example so far, the Dragon Ball Z DVD sets coming out now are cropped to 16x9 (a TV series). Sure it's only Dragon Ball but are we going to see more of this as people get wide screen sets? | | | | Tom. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 452 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cartman76: Quote:
I support the suggestion of having just aspect rations to choose from, and anamorphic or letterbox check boxes for DVD and options of resolution (720p, 1080i or 1080p) for Blu-ray Discs. That would give all the information one needed about it, without confusion... I don't see why you need a letterbox checkbox because in the end it's just confusing. And also you'd need a second checkbox for pillarboxed and window boxed (for all the Ghibli titles). |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 452 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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I beg to differ.., play that back thru a channel 3 coaxial and you'll get black bars.. Play it back on a convential 4:3.1 TV picture tube, thru any type of connection cable and you'll get black bars..
don't forget 16:9 is the same as 1.78:1 .
On a blu-ray, native image is 1920x1080 pixels. Not necessarily. You can also have resolutions of 1440x1080 (yep, it's in the standard), 1280x720 and of course all SD-resolutions. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 452 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Does it need to re-worked, I would say not unless Hollywood decides to change things. We have enough of a problem with Pan & Scan and Full Frame because both of those terms also have distinct meanings and sometimes it takes a fairly high level of expertise to determine whether a given movie is Open Matted (FF) or Pan & Scammed, there is no known source for such information that I am aware of.
Skip I hear you but please explain to me why we need a checkbox for full-frame and widescreen in the first place if we have the aspect ratio textfield anyway. This is just redundant information. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | 1.33 is not 1.33 is not 1.33, Peter. Full Frame CAN be an Academy ratio movie, it can be an older television show, it can also be a 1.85 movie that was open matted to 1.33. Pan & scan is also 1.33 but it has a specific meaning all to its own. Now we COULD add TV, Academy ratio and Open matte, but i don't really think that adds aything useful to the program plus in terms of Open Matting especiall versus Pan & Scan this not something that there is reference data for that i know of, and it generally takes a fairly high level of expertise to figure out the answer, plus access to a Widescreen print to compare...which we don't always have. It gets ugly very quickly, the data we have now provides a level of information probably sufficient for most users, but not good enough for us crazies  but it is also not something that will easily satisfy us techie types. Simple AR's tell us next to nothing. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 452 |
| | Posted: | | | | Pretty complicated isn't it?
Pan&Scan, Open Matte, "reframing" (Apocalypse Now anyone?) etc. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tas314: Quote:
Are we going to start seeing 2.4:1 and 1.33:1 material cropped to 1.78:1 for the no black bars types?
we already have - the new Thunderbirds TV series on Blu Ray has had the 1.33:1 material cropped to 1.78:1 And yes - this has lost some of the picture at both the top and bottom of the screen. The phrase 'pigs ear' comes to mind. | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sounds like "pan & scan revisited"...  |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
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Are we going to start seeing 2.4:1 and 1.33:1 material cropped to 1.78:1 for the no black bars types?
we already have - the new Thunderbirds TV series on Blu Ray has had the 1.33:1 material cropped to 1.78:1 Also Finnish Blu-ray release of Rambo is cropped to 1.78:1  |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 452 |
| | Posted: | | | | Are you sure it's cropped? Because for the cable version of Knight Rider they actually opened the matte and show more on the sides (like the camera mounts and stuff). |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Peter von Frosta: Quote:
Are you sure it's cropped? Because for the cable version of Knight Rider they actually opened the matte and show more on the sides (like the camera mounts and stuff). I know it's cropped for Thunderbirds - I've seen the screen prints. And it's dire | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,488 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
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Are we going to start seeing 2.4:1 and 1.33:1 material cropped to 1.78:1 for the no black bars types?
we already have - the new Thunderbirds TV series on Blu Ray has had the 1.33:1 material cropped to 1.78:1
And yes - this has lost some of the picture at both the top and bottom of the screen.
The phrase 'pigs ear' comes to mind. and Our wonderful Cable Network in Canada has HiDef Encore Avenue , ( to name one) and they show 2.35:1 film cropped to 1.78 so there there are no bars,, BUT the only wonderful redeeming feature about this... At least the broadcast is anamorphic so therefore unless you knew before hand what the AR was,, 'most people ' would never know, until either the pre or post credits give it away with the proper aspect ratio shown. THEN there is the Hidef channel of A&E, which shows their own scheduled programing properly anamorphic and in 1:78,, but give A&E the keys to the film vault and you get titles like , The Godfather, or True Lies.,, horribly squeezed and 'unanamorphic' looking,, and these type and other films give the ' human head' a new dimension ..  I refuse to watch these films, as A&E has dropped the ball and will not invest in the proper display and handling of these films... | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
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