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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAlien Redrum
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Wheras a birth year gives something which is separate from the films.

So a Birth year should be much better than choosing a random number each time you find a duplicate.


Yeah, but it obviously doesn't work in real world application, unfortunately.

My second DVD submitted and I can't have the entire cast because I can't find a birthday.

(Fortunately, though, I can work around it as I will be using roman numerals for these situations, I just don't won't submit them).
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(Fortunately, though, I can work around it as I will be using roman numerals for these situations, I just don't won't submit them).

If you use "fake" birth years (something like 1001, 1002, or whatever you like) you actually can contribute your work: you just don't tick the checkbox for including these fake birth years at the bottom of the contribution screen.
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The only flaw I can see with using Birth Year is in the very, very rare time when 2 people with the same name share the same Birth Year.

Of course I can't find an example of this happening, but I guess it could happen.

What would we do then?

The only solution to that would be to use the complete Birth Date. Which would require a change in the program.
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(Fortunately, though, I can work around it as I will be using roman numerals for these situations, I just don't won't submit them).

If you use "fake" birth years (something like 1001, 1002, or whatever you like) you actually can contribute your work: you just don't tick the checkbox for including these fake birth years at the bottom of the contribution screen.


That's a great work around, awesome, thanks!

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The only flaw I can see with using Birth Year is in the very, very rare time when 2 people with the same name share the same Birth Year.


That's true, assuming you can find birth years. That's the issue I have with "John Solomon", I don't know when dude was born. 
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Really? Well, I stand corrected then. My understanding was that copyright only covered intellectual content, not presentation. I'm pretty sure that over here it would fall under either patent or registered design.


I am sure that success, or failure, of a coypright violation claim would be based on the uniqueness of the design.  While I have sent out a few letters in my time, I have never had to see one to it's final conclusion so am not 100% sure.

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It's doubtful if using roman numerals to distinguish persons with the same name would be unique enough to be offered any kind of legal protection, but that's another matter.


While I agree with you, if Ken were to allow this, I am willing to bet most people would simply use the exact same designation that IMDb did.  I mean, why reinvent the wheel, right?  In that context, IMDb might have a case.
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(Fortunately, though, I can work around it as I will be using roman numerals for these situations, I just don't won't submit them).

If you use "fake" birth years (something like 1001, 1002, or whatever you like) you actually can contribute your work: you just don't tick the checkbox for including these fake birth years at the bottom of the contribution screen.


You can submit it, but it'll be rejected.  I tried not ticking the checkbox for a birth year I didn't want to submit and it was rejected for not providing supporting information for that birth year.
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(Fortunately, though, I can work around it as I will be using roman numerals for these situations, I just don't won't submit them).

If you use "fake" birth years (something like 1001, 1002, or whatever you like) you actually can contribute your work: you just don't tick the checkbox for including these fake birth years at the bottom of the contribution screen.


You can submit it, but it'll be rejected.  I tried not ticking the checkbox for a birth year I didn't want to submit and it was rejected for not providing supporting information for that birth year.

I must have done about a hundred submissions like this, and never had a single one of them declined. As far as I understand things, this is exactly how the system works (should work): if you don't tick the checkbox, the birth year is not (shouldn't be) included in the contribution, so it cannot (shouldn't) be declined on that basis. I also simply need this to work - for instance, I've got no less than five different crew members called David Lee in my database, and I've been able to find a birth year for only one of them. The only way to keep their credits separated is to use fake birth years - and I've succesfully contributed to all their profiles by not checking the checkbox for any of them.

I've got another one of these pending right now, and if I go to the evaluation screen for my own contribution, the birth year is - rightfully so - nowhere to be seen. Since these fake birth years are not included in the contribution, and not seen on the evaluation screen (I'm guessing that if the voters don't see it, the screeners won't see it as well), they can't possibly be reason to decline it.

Again: I'm sure I've gotten about a hundred of these approved - but these fake birth years are obviously still not in the database (as they shouldn't be). My guess would be that your decline was a "fluke" of some kind...
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The only way to keep their credits separated is to use fake birth years - and I've succesfully contributed to all their profiles by not checking the checkbox for any of them.

Slightly OT:  I, too, have been using fake birth years and have wondered how to distinguish fake BYs from real BYs.  I decided to use a BY in the future (e.g., 2108).  That way I'll know it isn't a true BY.

Sorry for the OT intrusion.
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... but these fake birth years are obviously still not in the database (as they shouldn't be). ...



That means that you made a good  job to separate different "David Lee", but in the database, there is only one, so there are all linked together. In this case, I would prefer to have evidently fake birth year dates than wrong information about who worked in which movie (that we have not using IMDb like system)...

This is another example where online database gives wrong information and one of the many reasons for which I prefer to work without it.
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... but these fake birth years are obviously still not in the database (as they shouldn't be). ...



That means that you made a good  job to separate different "David Lee", but in the database, there is only one, so there are all linked together. In this case, I would prefer to have evidently fake birth year dates than wrong information about who worked in which movie (that we have not using IMDb like system)...

This is another example where online database gives wrong information and one of the many reasons for which I prefer to work without it.


Do really some people think that giving me a red arrow for that post will make me change my mind about the fact that the online database is not very good to link actors correctly?

       
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(Fortunately, though, I can work around it as I will be using roman numerals for these situations, I just don't won't submit them).

If you use "fake" birth years (something like 1001, 1002, or whatever you like) you actually can contribute your work: you just don't tick the checkbox for including these fake birth years at the bottom of the contribution screen.


You can submit it, but it'll be rejected.  I tried not ticking the checkbox for a birth year I didn't want to submit and it was rejected for not providing supporting information for that birth year.

I must have done about a hundred submissions like this, and never had a single one of them declined. As far as I understand things, this is exactly how the system works (should work): if you don't tick the checkbox, the birth year is not (shouldn't be) included in the contribution, so it cannot (shouldn't) be declined on that basis. I also simply need this to work - for instance, I've got no less than five different crew members called David Lee in my database, and I've been able to find a birth year for only one of them. The only way to keep their credits separated is to use fake birth years - and I've succesfully contributed to all their profiles by not checking the checkbox for any of them.

I've got another one of these pending right now, and if I go to the evaluation screen for my own contribution, the birth year is - rightfully so - nowhere to be seen. Since these fake birth years are not included in the contribution, and not seen on the evaluation screen (I'm guessing that if the voters don't see it, the screeners won't see it as well), they can't possibly be reason to decline it.

Again: I'm sure I've gotten about a hundred of these approved - but these fake birth years are obviously still not in the database (as they shouldn't be). My guess would be that your decline was a "fluke" of some kind...



Huh.  Maybe I'm just unlucky but I tried it twice with different profiles and both times it got rejected.  I don't get many rejections though otherwise.  One of the times, there was a comment with a No vote saying that there was no support for the birth year, even though I hadn't checked the BY box.
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Huh.  Maybe I'm just unlucky but I tried it twice with different profiles and both times it got rejected.  I don't get many rejections though otherwise.  One of the times, there was a comment with a No vote saying that there was no support for the birth year, even though I hadn't checked the BY box.

That's really strange... The update I mentioned had pending (with an obviously fake birth year for which I had not ticked the checkbox on the contribution screen) has just been accepted, and the fake birth year is (correctly so) NOT accepted into the database: if I try to re-contribute I still get a checkbox asking me whether I want to include it - confirming it wasn't accepted into the database as a result of my previous accepted contribution. So for me, this works exactly as I expect it to (what would be the point of having such a checkbox if the the birth year is included whether you tick it or not?), and it always has. But you obviously have two different experiences for which I can't think of any logical explanation... 
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... but these fake birth years are obviously still not in the database (as they shouldn't be). ...



This is another example where online database gives wrong information and one of the many reasons for which I prefer to work without it.


Do really some people think that giving me a red arrow for that post will make me change my mind about the fact that the online database is not very good to link actors correctly?

       


Maybe it's because someone is tired of your continous nagging about how you don't like the online, and prefer to work without it? I know I am - so maybe someone else is as well? Just a thought.. 
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Maybe it's because someone is tired of your continous nagging ... I know I am ...


I can easily understand that you do not like my opinion... But my average post number is about two per day, and I do not think I nag more than some other users who always say the same thing.

I suggest you to use a nice feature of this forum. You block me and you'll never see my nagging anymore. I tested it on some users and it really works fine. Red arrows are no use for you since I really do not mind at all. For your information, I took hundreds, and my reputation is still normal, and even if it was lowered, I would still say what I think is good for this program.

Dvdprofiler is, as I already wrote, by far the best program to catalog movies on DVDs or blu-rays. Unfortunately, the online part is obviously not at the same level, and I'm not alone to say that...
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Maybe it's because someone is tired of your continous nagging ... I know I am ...


I can easily understand that you do not like my opinion... But my average post number is about two per day, and I do not think I nag more than some other users who always say the same thing.

I suggest you to use a nice feature of this forum. You block me and you'll never see my nagging anymore. I tested it on some users and it really works fine. Red arrows are no use for you since I really do not mind at all. For your information, I took hundreds, and my reputation is still normal, and even if it was lowered, I would still say what I think is good for this program.

Dvdprofiler is, as I already wrote, by far the best program to catalog movies on DVDs or blu-rays. Unfortunately, the online part is obviously not at the same level, and I'm not alone to say that...


You might not be alone in feeling that, but you certainly are alone in bringing it up in each and every god damn post you make! 

I will not block any forum posters, as I do not believe in censorship. I would rather confront someone I disagree with... And I did not ask for information about how many negative feedbacks you've gotten, but if you are serious in your statement about it being in the hundreds (seeing as you have 700+ posts), then maybe you should take a hint and start moderating your negative attitude.   
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