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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting recursive: [...] Quote:
given that you have to enter the movie title, UPC or insert the disk to pull up the profile I wouldn't expect that there would be too many legal issues with profile entries but I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a lawyer either, but think of this scenario: kid types "Snow White" in DVDP, downloads profile and cover, turns out it's a Swedish porn.  | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
Same here. It all depends on what you mean by "Adult"
For instance, would you include
A. porn / XXX (well, that's an easy Yes!)
B. explicit sex in any movie (even if no porn or erotic intent)
C. soft porn / "playboyish"
D. erotic movies
E. sexy movies (Barbarella!)
F. any movie with adult themes, hard language, intense or persistent violence, sexually-oriented nudity, drug abuse, and so on...
Besides: according to whom? Only A qualifies for "adult" IMO. The normal ratings "R", "NC-17" should cover the rest. "NR" is kind of special and could be everything. For parental control purposes "NR" should probably be handled the same as "NC-17". |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
That is exactly what I mean... there is more to it then just XXX/Porn I don't buy the XXX/Porn movies... but I do have several Playboy Videos and Girls Gone Wild videos... in my eyes these are adult videos. I wouldn't sit a kid in front of them.. so that to me is adult. For this purpose we have "NC-17". Isn't it possible to configure the parental control system of profiler to hide "NC-17"? |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Isn't it possible to configure the parental control system of profiler to hide "NC-17"? Yes it is, however it is very rare a title will actually be rated NC-17. Most distributors seem to prefer to release unrated titles than NC-17 titles. | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
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Isn't it possible to configure the parental control system of profiler to hide "NC-17"?
Yes it is, however it is very rare a title will actually be rated NC-17. Most distributors seem to prefer to release unrated titles than NC-17 titles. As I have said before "NR" should be handled the same as "NC-17" for parental control purposes only. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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Isn't it possible to configure the parental control system of profiler to hide "NC-17"?
Yes it is, however it is very rare a title will actually be rated NC-17. Most distributors seem to prefer to release unrated titles than NC-17 titles.
As I have said before "NR" should be handled the same as "NC-17" for parental control purposes only. But that wouldn't work unfortunately. There are a lot on unrated releases that are perfectly acceptable for a child's eyes. In fact I believe that all of the Simpsons boxsets are unrated, but that doesn't mean they should be affected by parental control. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
As I have said before "NR" should be handled the same as "NC-17" ... Some NR from my collection : Astro Zombies (1969) The Card Player (2004) Cemetery Man (1993) Class of 1984 (1981) Jesse James Meets Frankenstein's Daughter (1966) Do you seriously think that any of those movie would get a NC-17 rating now? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I said in the other thread... not to mention every TV series gets NR rating... so there goes the majority of my collection right there if I hide all NR rated profiles... plus all the Unrated Director Cuts of (what seems to be) every other title now a day. And as others have said... you seldomly see the rating NC-17 on any releases.
There is just no way ratings will work for this. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
Do you seriously think that any of those movie would get a NC-17 rating now? No, I don't think that they would get a NC-17 rating. But since the industry has not rated them, we can't know. And just for parental control purposes they should be handled the same as NC-17 which means that we wouldn't show them to minors without rating them ourselves. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
That's why I think we should move the "adult" marking away from the online database and more into a local setting, as everyone will have their own idea of what constitutes an "adult" film.
Case in point would be something like Caligula, some people would class that as adult, others would disagree and would prefer "NR" in the rating section instead.
Moving the marking away from the ratings (and the genres) would give people that freedom to choose for themselves what is an adult title.
A question: if this was made a purely local setting (with a knock-on effect in your online listing), would that cause any problems offline or online? Can anyone think of a situation where the "adult" rating would need to be in the online database? This would be the best method. Then everyone could deside themselves "how old is an adult" and "what material should not be seen by person under that age". People have different ideas about, is 16 years old an adult? 18? 21? There are also cultural differences between US and Europe about the material. In general Europeans seems to be more liberal on sexual material and in US you can show more violence. etc. etc. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
This would be the best method. Then everyone could deside themselves "how old is an adult" and "what material should not be seen by person under that age". People have different ideas about, is 16 years old an adult? 18? 21? There are also cultural differences between US and Europe about the material. In general Europeans seems to be more liberal on sexual material and in US you can show more violence. etc. etc. Agree with you. I'm the only one who can decide what is or what isn't an adult movie in my collection for me. This is not the responsability of a program or someone else that's why the idea of a checkbox by northbloke is so good. Quote:
There are also cultural differences between US and Europe about the material. In general Europeans seems to be more liberal on sexual material and in US you can show more violence. etc. etc. Sexuality is not a big deal in the province of Quebec (Don't know for the ROC) too. Not so long ago one of our television network has shown "Showgirls" at 9 AM, just imagine the comotion if the same thing happen in the U.S.  | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
There are 174 movies in the U.S who have a NC-17 rating
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but seriously I don't see why some of them are rated as adult by the MPAA. The NC-17 rating was introduced in 1990. So in 17 years it's only been used 174 times. Compare that to the R rating which was used 347 times in 2007 alone. I honestly don't think it's a rating we can rely on to filter out adult material. And as for most of the MPAA decisions - you and most other adults I think! |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
There are 174 movies in the U.S who have a NC-17 rating (Complete List) I saw this and couldn't believe there were that many with an NC-17 rating. It's used so rarely (many theaters by policy or local pressure will not show NC-17 movies) it's usually news if one is actually released that way. There are many movies, Clerks is an example, that were originally rated NC-17 (my understanding is it got it just for language  ) and then self-edited to get re-rated R. Looking at the list i see several movies like this. I don't recall any of these: American Psycho, Boys Don't Cry & Bully being NC-17. If they weren't edited to an R they were released unrated. I remember seeing Henry & June, the movie for which the rating was created i believe, which was released NC-17. If i've seen another (and i've averaged 100+ movies a year the last ten years) i don't recall it. Note also the list of 174 is of movies that received the NC-17 at any point. I found movies from: 1968 Vixen!1972 Last Tango in Parisamong others. So the list includes older movies that may have requested reclassification for whatever reason. The point, if i have one, is that most NC-17 rated movies are never seen under that banner in theaters. And usually not on DVD, where they just go Unrated which i suspect sounds sexier. For those who haven't heard of it may i recommend This Film is Not Yet Rated (which is one of the 174 but was released in theaters Unrated). It's an interesting and funny movie about the MPAA ratings board. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 550 |
| | Posted: | | | | I need to broaden my collection as I only own about 15 of those 174 and I really don't think any of those 15 are deserving of that rating. Oh well. | | | Schultzy - http://www.michaelschultz.net
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | The NC-17 rating was instituted to replace the X rating because most people took X to mean porno, mainly because the porno distributors proudly plastered XXX all over THEIR productions. Distributors didn't want to have their films rated X (as Midnight Cowboy was) because theater chains refused to book any X-rated film regardless of why it had been so rated. The theater chains were worried about people boycotting them because they showed "dirty" movies.
So the MPAA brought out the NC-17 rating which was SUPPOSED to indicate that the film should not be viewed by people younger than age 17. This hasn't worked well, because theater chains generally won't book NC-17 movies any more than they booked X ones -- for the same reason: fear of boycotts and loss of revenue. So the movie distributor would rather release his film with NO rating than with an NC-17. That's why there are only 174 films that have been rated NC-17 in the 17 years that rating was available. When a distributor thinks his film is going to get an NC-17 rating he will generally do some additional editing to qualify for an R or will withdraw the film from the rating board and release it unrated.
But I don't think we should change an officially-rated NC-17 film to ADULT just because the content is adult. That's what the genre is for. If a film is rated NC-17 that's what we should use in the profile. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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