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| Registered: July 15, 2007 |  Posts: 159 |
| | | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,745 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dvdjon: Quote:
who has translated this to norwegian anyways? a dyslectic dane? No need to lash out. I remember the first translation to germany "Drittes Parteibrandmauerschutzprogramm". Quoting Dvdjon: Quote:
I have noted over 10 translation errors now. hmmmmm maybe I need to do some work. You can correct these errors and contribute it to the community. For germany Michael_ZZ does a great job. | | | Karsten
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| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Maybe I wasn't completely clear. I don't have a problem with the majority opinion. Ok. I hope we all agree that even if they all are "opinions", the opinion of the majority is somehow more valuable data than the opinion of just one person. For instance, user A might see elements of Comedy and Romance in the TV Series Buffy the Vampire Slayer (and that wouldn't be blatantly wrong, some scenes are hilarious, and there are love stories going on too), but users B, C, D, E, F, G and H will probably agree that "Horror, Fantasy, Television" are more appropriate choices. But then, f user A was the first to contribute, and if a strict <no change unless blatantly wrong> policy had to be enforced, the Online Genres list in Buffy the Vampire Slayer's profile would be <Comedy, Romance, Television>, and that -let me say- would be of little value for most users.  Quote:
My issue is the following scenario:
User A submits a new profile that includes genres and it is accepted.
User B comes along and decides the genres are wrong, so submits a change. It gets accepted.
User C comes along and decides the genres are wrong, so submits a change. It gets voted down.
User D comes along and decides the genres are wrong, so submits a change. It also gets voted down.
User E comes along and decides the genres are wrong, so submits a change. Surprise, surprise, it gets accepted.
User B comes back and wonders why the genres are now different and submits a change...
I am concerned about the potential of having to see the same profiles submitted over and over and over again. At some point, a line has to be drawn. I don't know where that line should be drawn, but it has to be drawn somewhere. I think that could be worked out. For instance, let's say you need a * large* majority (at least two thirds of Yes votes?) before a change is accepted. | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Enry: I know you don't like it, you want YOUR genre. But I think my policy is the best. We have a famous case whaere a user was trying to turn Star Trek IV into a Comedy. True enough, it has Comedic elements but it is NOT a Comedy as such, it simply contains elements. Simple if the data fields are filled and they are NOT wrong, don't touch them. I have many titles where MY genre does not match the Online...so what. I s that important to you or anyone else...no it is important to ME and I don't care what the data is Online as long as it is not blatantly wrong. We once again come back to wanting to personalize the Online database. I would ask two question, Why not accept it as is assuming it is correct? and Why the desperation to personalize the Online database with your version of correct Genre?  Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Enry:
I know you don't like it, you want YOUR genre.
[...] Nope, I am claiming YOUR (everybody's) right to change the Genres list I (or anyone else) contributed, if most users agree it can be bettered.  | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | It does seem rather silly that the online is stuck for all eternity with whatever the original submitter chooses for genre. It's not a piece of data that I personally pay much attention to, but the general concept seems kind of ridiculous that whoever gets there first controls it for all etermity, right or wrong.
That being said, I've seen a number of instances where an obviously bad genre choice was changed in the online and successfully voted on, so it would appear that the screeners do allow changes. Trying to reconcile that fact with the rule leads me to conclude that Ken would prefer to minimize genre changes, which seems reasonable enough. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | midnit: If it is a "bad"(blatantly incorrect) genre, which does happen, then by all means change it. But otherwise....there are numerous film that could 4, 5 or even 6 Genre slots. Genre are completely subjective as the Rules spell out. @ Enry: I still don't comprehend why this even a question because it it is all about personalizing the Online and I simply don't comprehend that. My own ego does not require that kind of stroking, in fact it doesn't require any stroking at all. It frankly embarasses me to see people who are willing to find any little excuse they can find to imprint their own personal fingerprint on the Online. What strikes me even more offensively is trying to hide behind the word majority in order to imprint the database. Sorry, guy , I don't mean to upset you, but that is how I see it. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Says the guy who prides himself on putting up those pre-release profiles first.  Meh, it's just a genre. Who cares? The thing is so subjective that it's hardly worth discussing. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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My issue is the following scenario:
User A submits a new profile that includes genres and it is accepted.
User B comes along and decides the genres are wrong, so submits a change. It gets accepted.
User C comes along and decides the genres are wrong, so submits a change. It gets voted down.
User D comes along and decides the genres are wrong, so submits a change. It also gets voted down.
User E comes along and decides the genres are wrong, so submits a change. Surprise, surprise, it gets accepted.
User B comes back and wonders why the genres are now different and submits a change...
I am concerned about the potential of having to see the same profiles submitted over and over and over again. At some point, a line has to be drawn. I don't know where that line should be drawn, but it has to be drawn somewhere.
I think that could be worked out. For instance, let's say you need a *large* majority (at least two thirds of Yes votes?) before a change is accepted. You don't seem to understand the problem - How can you tell when the genre changes are at an end? They are subjective - so you can't look at them and then reject further changes as being wrong. With all the other chnages to a profile - you should at some point be able to say that the profile is complete. And the rules allow for a blatant change where the genre is completely wrong.  | | | | Paul |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
Quoting EnryWiki:
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I think that could be worked out. For instance, let's say you need a *large* majority (at least two thirds of Yes votes?) before a change is accepted.
You don't seem to understand the problem - How can you tell when the genre changes are at an end?
I would leave that to fellow users & Screeners to decide. The *large* majority requisite should avoid ping-pongs. Quote:
They are subjective - so you can't look at them and then reject further changes as being wrong.
Let's take a for instance (hypothetical, not a real contribution): do you reckon Buffy the Vampire Slayer is more like <Horror-Fantasy-Television> or <Comedy-Romance-Television>? Have your say, and let the majority decide whatever they want. Quote:
With all the other chnages to a profile - you should at some point be able to say that the profile is complete.
You can submit a cover scan if you think it's an improvement, and that doesn't necessary mean the former scan was "bad". Voters and Screeners will then decide if it really is a relevant improvement. But then, can you draw a line and say an image is "perfect"? Quote:
And the rules allow for a blatant change where the genre is completely wrong. LOL! The question is: how blatantly blatant? I mean: if someone tells a joke in a horror movie, is that enough to say you can't even try change it from being listed as <Comedy>? | | | | -- Enry |
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