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The set of people that are doing it the way they think is correct (I agree, there's way too many of those).

Sorry but doing it in a grammatically corect way isn't incorrect. The accent must be present in the french language or it's an error.

I really wish, and no offense meant, that people would stop taking my words out of context or twisting them.

I AGREE. It's incorrect. According to native langauges and the written word, it's absolutely 100% incorrect. I've even stated this. What I'm saying here, is that we have a very specific rule with a very specific clarification set out for us, and according to that, for THIS program, it IS correct. Everyone SHOULD be following the rules, exactly as set out for us. If they're not, for THIS program, they're doing it incorrectly. We're not trying to re-write all human language as we know it, we're trying to make one small single program on the internet, accessible for all users, across all languages, across all regions, across all localities. The rule on this, and Ken's clarification on this, makes that possible. Surfeur's proposal, does not.

Like I've stated, I would be ALL for this, if we had a different linking system. I'm not arguing against the proposal itself, I'm arguing against the way it would affect the current system in place. If the current system was better (and again, I'm not holding my breath, although that doesn't mean I don't think we shouldn't keep asking for a change) I'm all there. First in line to start correcting my profiles. That's not the way it is unfortunately.

And I know that it's relatively easy to check a web dictionary and try to figure it out from that. But I can tell from first hand experience, when I was the only person trying to help someone with some credits in a different language on here, after using a web dictionary, I was STILL jumped on for getting it incorrect. And asking everyone to go to a web dictionary to figure out the exact proper way to do things, isn't going to fly very well. I did a profile update to my profile of Glory recently. There was so much incorrect information, it took me over and hour, and HOUR to complete the update. If I had to stop and check every single credit against a web dictionary to figure out proper conversions... *shudder*. It's just not a realistic expectation.

Didn't Ken at one time post something about creating a balance between the "Die Hards" and the average user?  And that  he wasn't going to overprogram and drive the average away?

I know it was someplace.

If people keep restricting the fields that people can "edit" unless they have "special knowledge", isn't that going against what Ken said.  I love it when people say I shouldn't do this or that.

Who here in the forums, aside from Ken (or Gerri) has the right to tell me what I should or shouldn't do. 

I have an Idea.  Why don't we make this so complicated, with so many if then that but these instead, that we just drive all the average users away.  Let us tell all these people that they need to prove they have special knowledge to use the program that they purchased.  See  how far that gets us. Then the 50 or so people here on the forums can argue about what? when the program dies do to lack of participation.

In all realism, how important is this in the grand scheme of things.  Don't we have other things to argue about that would be a better use of our time??

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People like you, who are unsure about how to do it correctly, should leave the data alone!

Thanks Hal!
Reacted accordingly and withdrew my pending contributions.

goblinsdoitall
Over and Out

There we are - this is what it has come to... 

As for the rest, I don't believe I need to add anything to Merrik's excellent posts. Once again, he's hit the nail right on the head on all counts.

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In all realism, how important is this in the grand scheme of things.  Don't we have other things to argue about that would be a better use of our time??

Of course, the impact on you is minimal since you are English speaking and undoubtedly have a vast majority of English DVDs.  It's easy for you to decide that it's not important.

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Everyone, including someone like me, and I tend to think I'm a pretty darn good contributor who follows the rules and tries to help the community, will be doing it how they think they should do it. I can guarantee you, I'm going to do it wrong. I can guarantee you, you will probably do it wrong at one point (if you contribute that is). And that's not an insult. Everyone will do it wrong because it's SO open.

That's more hyperbole.  You are not everyone. Everyone will not do it wrong.  Lots and lots of people will know exactly how to do it correctly.  Those that don't know how to do it correctly, should leave the data alone.

I have to disagree with hal on this point...unless I am misunderstanding him.  I don't think people, who don't know, should leave the data alone.  They should enter it as best they can, which is what we do with titles and overviews at the moment, and be done with it.  My guess is that most of those people will do a simple conversion, E=e, C=c, etc.  I doubt, very seriously, that any of them would convert FRANCOIS BERLEAND into Françöis Berleând simply because they aren't aware that it is a possible choice.  I could, of course, be wrong.

As to my possible misunderstanding of hal's position...if he means they shouldn't correct the names, instead of they shouldn't enter the data, then I change my stance.

Perhaps I should clarify.  I am not talking about entering new data in the profile.  Everyone should do the best they can.  What I am saying is that someone who does not know the proper way to convert all caps to mixed case, should not change existing data when they are only "guessing" at what it is supposed to be.  Leave it for those that know how to do it correctly.

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Leave it for those that know how to do it correctly.

Again, this illustrates exactly what's wrong with your entire stance on this... 

It may be worth stressing again that this is all just a (misguided) suggestion by a few users, nothing more. That's okay, as long as we're not forgetting that for contribution purposes, Ken's simple, consistent, universal and foolproof "E=e, É=é" ruling - you know, the one that lets everyone deal with the data, not just the experts - still stands.

Your fully entitled to be wrong in your opinion. 

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Leave it for those that know how to do it correctly.

Again, this illustrates exactly what's wrong with your entire stance on this... 

It may be worth stressing again that this is all just a (misguided) suggestion by a few users, nothing more. That's okay, as long as we're not forgetting that for contribution purposes, Ken's simple, consistent, universal and foolproof "E=e, É=é" ruling - you know, the one that lets everyone deal with the data, not just the experts - still stands.

I am not sure who this 'everyone' is, but I have seen quite a few contributors that have never been in the forums.  Perhaps you meant, "everyone in the forums," but even that isn't realistic as I know quite a few people who visit the forums, but don't participate in the contribution forums.  The truth of the matter is, the number of people who know about this simple, consistent and universal ruling is quite small and most certainly is not 'everyone'.  The "generally somewhat silent and large majority" are blissfully ignorant.  Now that, is an unquestionable fact.

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I highly respect the majority of this board, and members that I've been debating with such as Taro, hal9g and No_Name_Needed and the last thing I would want to do is offend anyone.

So again, my apologies if I have!!

No apologies needed Merrik
You are right that I probably quoted you out of context, since I've reacted after reading the first lines of the post I was answering. But you know how the French Canadians are