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If you don't know the language of the profile you are working on well enough to get the spelling correct, perhaps you should leave it to someone else to do.

Luckily, I don't have to, since Ken wisely set a simple, universal and foolproof method to deal with all those credits, so we can all deal with all them equally fine. Wonderful, isn't it? Imagine the horror if we didn't have that - before we knew it, you'd actually be telling people to keep their hands of their own profiles! Oh wait: you already are! 

If you honestly believe that is the way to run this database, then I give up...

Tim, can you please look at the chart Yves posted. When I look at that it seems that there is a problem and that a solution should be possible.

If, as many suggest, that what is in place presently is not adequate. What do you suggest as a new, simple solution to address what is specifically addressed in that chart.

This thread has become so long and convoluted that I am becoming increasingly confused.

A solution is possible, Kathy. And it has been offered, furthermore it does not fundamentally change the way things are done and allow user preference to overrule the Actual credits. It's very very easy to do. But, it has been suggested by me, some users can see it and understand, those that are blinded by their own hatred or the hatred of others, and can no longer see the river bank for all the mud in the water. Some people are blatantly lying and then claiming that they aren't in the very next post, it's hysterical to watch but also very sad. Other are throwing bits of information that are off topic, tiles, overviews, whatever they can come up to cloud the issue.

There is only one thing that is guaranteed here, if I say something and/or take a stand it is guaranteed to be a many page discussion using pile on tactics, venom about as thick as I have ever seen and the participants are always the same. And i have said i can predict who everyone of them are and almost word for word what they will say before they ever say it. It's not all that hard once you understand what their objecticve is.

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If you don't know the language of the profile you are working on well enough to get the spelling correct, perhaps you should leave it to someone else to do.

Luckily, I don't have to, since Ken wisely set a simple, universal and foolproof method to deal with all those credits, so we can all deal with all them equally fine. Wonderful, isn't it? Imagine the horror if we didn't have that - before we knew it, you'd actually be going around telling people to keep their hands off their own profiles! Oh wait: you just did that already! 

If you honestly believe that is the way to run this database, then I give up...

It's not wonderful when those instructions direct us to introduce spelling errors into the profile!

And yes, I did say that if you don't know proper spelling in the language of the profile, leave it alone.  The same principle applies to all fields.  If you are not knowledgeable about aspect ratios or audio formats or crew titles, leave them alone.  A very simple concept.

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I have suggestion, instead of feedin two discussion of the SAME thing and adding up to almost 50 pages of drivel. Why not stay in ONE. I don''t care which but we don't need to argue the same things in two different places.

Good idea.

Why don't you do that!

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And yes, I did say that if you don't know proper spelling in the language of the profile, leave it alone.

Lovely! This stance should help in getting a breakthrough in the endless parsing of Asian names debate: anyone who isn't enough of an expert should just butt out. I'm sure the remaining users will be able to come up with something to settle that. 

Seriously, though, I'm glad Ken ruled the way he did, so I actually am able to deal with credits outside the few where the credits are in my native tongue. We all are. If you think about it, it's really a pretty great ruling. 

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Don't you just love these polite, respectful "debates" 

I encourage everyone who finds a post offensive to use the tools the mods gave us to alert them to the post.

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Isn't that the problem you that you have stated?

No, not at all! You're talking about two different credit variations, entered in two different ways in Profiler. Instead, surfeur wants to treat one and the same credit in two different ways depending on the CoO of the film. Again:

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FRANCOIS BERLEAND (on screen) will be converted to Francois Berleand if he plays in a hollywood movie, and François Berléand if he plays in a French movie.

So you see the exact same thing on screen, yet in one profile you would enter that one way, and in the next profile, you'd enter it in a different manner. That's my problem. I think it's impossible to explain to the average user how he would have to enter the exact same on-screen credit differently depending on whatever criterium.

I would explain it to the average user the same way as I would explain why the same person is credited as Francois Truffaut in one film and as François Truffaut in an other film (both in mixed case). And then I would explain the credited as field to him to solve the problem.

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That is not wehat the Credits say. thankl you, you told me I was misunderstanding you. But you hav verified what I have said as correct. What do you want from me. You want to NOT follow the credits and you want to include FICTIONAL data, which does NOT appear On Screen. Which BTW has nothing to do with capitalization, which the supposed topic.

Once again E=e is not what we see as well. We discuss the case when we can only see E and are not allowed to enter E for de-capitalisation reasons.

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(...), but capitalization does NOT include diacriticals. (...)

Yes it does.