Interesting discussion.  As I don't own a 3D HDTV, and probably won't for years to come I haven't been collecting any 3D Blu-rays so I don't really have a dog in this fight.  But I'd think that most people collecting them would care about the 3D more, so that should take center stage do to speak.

I also loathe the child profiles for combo packs.  Don't like them, don't use them and don't contribute them.  Just clutters the 'parent' profiles up and I don't really care about the specifics of a DVD when I have the blu-ray.  However, I can understand those that do.  I also don't use children profiles for TV series, would rather have all the information in the main profile.

Don't hold your breath for a rule change. It usually takes a year to year and a half for Ken to "study" us before rule change.

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Just to put things in context.  CharlieM's post is based on a contribution

"The Avengers" - 786936819670 (3D/BD/DVD) Combo

That profile has optional child profiles for the 3D, BD and DVD to show the individual contents of each disc and the parent profile is profiled as the union of the 3D and BD (not the 3D alone).

He has a pending contribution to remove the optional child profile for the 3D BD.

I did not mention, because this will go beyond just that profile.

The problem with this,

it is not truly a "Box Set" by profiler definition.  A box set is packaged as a set with multiple "different" Films.  Think "Lord of the Rings"  "Alien Anthology", etc.

It is not truly a "Bonus Feature Film", my idea of this is a different film that is included as a bonus to a single film release.  Think "The Day the Earth Stood Still" (2008) with the bonus add "The Day the Earth Stood Still" (1951).

The way we were told to handle "Combo Packs" (BD+DVD or HD+DVD), was to profile the high def in the parent, then add the optional dvd as a child.  It was never to include the HiDef version as a child.  (I have many, many profiles like this)


Now we come to add "3D".  Technically this is an extension of BD.  So according to the way we have currently done this, I see 1 of 2 options.

  1.  We profile all BD media in the parent profile, no matter the features, audio, or subtitles on the disc.  We then only profile the DVD media as a child.

  2. We Profile the main BD (whether it be 2D or 3D) as the parent profile, then profile the remaining discs as child profiles.

In my opinion, number 2 would be the best option, in todays environment.

The way that you want to do it, makes a hodgepodge of non separable data in the parent, that will always be in the online, without any semblance of organization (how do you define the different audio tracks when they are lumped together in one profile?), then on top of that, you want to treat the rest as a pure box set, with all the profiles (optional they may be) as children.  I really don't see this a s viable data organization.

In "MY" idea of a perfect world (take it for what it is worth), we would only profile disc based profiles, then associate them into a parent.  (I know, I am strange).  Better yet (movie or show profiled, then associated with a disc, then associated with a UPC, etc..)

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In "MY" idea of a perfect world (take it for what it is worth), we would only profile disc based profiles, then associate them into a parent.  (I know, I am strange).  Better yet (movie or show profiled, then associated with a disc, then associated with a UPC, etc..)

Good, I am strange also and totally agree with this. I have always thought (even though I have only been at this a few months) and believe we should have the movie (thus all cast and crew etc are from one point in the db) that is assigned to the discs (where all audio etc info is the same) which is then assigned to the packaging (which can include any number of extraneous things) one eventually purchased the film in.

However, I am also one that will abide by rules even if they differ to my own thoughts, but I prefer to do this when rules aren't ambiguous.


Edit: Considering the above 'perfect world' idea for the database and how profiles work would most probably require a complete database and program change for DvdProfiler, perhaps even a completely different new version. I just want to say I would be happy to pay for a "DvdProfiler 2" if Invelos did ever take up this idea.

Very often here in Europe on the Blu-ray 3D we have f.e. only English and German Audio Tracks. On the seperate Blu-ray 2D we have then 5 languages in Audio Tracks, so more. When I contribute all in the parent profile, do I put all Audio Tracks regardless on which of the two Blu-ray they are? Sometimes even the Video Formats are different, one 2:35:1 and the other 1.78:1. Though bouth Blu-rays, 2D and 3D have a lot of differences that are not easy to put into one parent profile.

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I know this will shock you, I agree with you. I view the handling to be one of personal choice, but we want the data to be available for all. I think I would come in on the box side for onli.e purposes. The children being.each of the individual so that the discs coud differentiated relative. To their features and other differences. The parent handled as a typical box or in some other form, I can see a couple of argumentsPersonally, I would andle it as a standard box parent with little to no data, all data belonging to the respective children. Is it easier to remove data from. Loaded parent...<shrugs:o>

Based on what rule?  I understand the desire, and the reasoning, but I don't see it supported by the rules. 

Now which do I find to be the.most logical and rational and why, ill keep that to myself thank youu. I don't have the energy for a scrap and scrum.

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Quoting Scooter1836:

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Just to put things in context.  CharlieM's post is based on a contribution

"The Avengers" - 786936819670 (3D/BD/DVD) Combo

That profile has optional child profiles for the 3D, BD and DVD to show the individual contents of each disc and the parent profile is profiled as the union of the 3D and BD (not the 3D alone).

He has a pending contribution to remove the optional child profile for the 3D BD.

I don't understand why he would remove the profile for the 3D BD, but not the BD as, technically, neither is allowed.  Per the rules, a combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile.  Since Ken decided, when the new version was released, that 3D was not a media type, the only child profile allowed would be the one for the DVD.

Yes it has been ruled to not be a media type.  but several discussion threads since December 2011 in this foruma and contribution rulles comittee forum did get the concensus that the optional profiles would be allowed when the discs contained different content and in this case they do.

Also what was cited in the contribution was it should be considered a bonus film.  Well bonus films are allowed to have optional profiles when they exist of different discs.

Profiling the 3D releases with more child profiles isn't new.  Exactly how to profiles these has needed Ken's attention for a long time