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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Leiterfluid: Quote:
You're adding a new Disc ID to a child profile only identified by Disc ID. This is exactly like adding a cover scan that has a different UPC from the profile ID. You're also doing everyone who owns the same disc ID as you a disservice because they're no longer able to track their child profiles using the their Disc ID. - confused on this you can't type in a new disc ID only copy from what your dvdrom reports ... you can type in upc and disc locality but not Disc ID .. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: December 22, 2008 |  Posts: 87 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sorry to chime in that late, I'm currently very short on time...  Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
But there is already a profile there created by disc ID... That's a major flaw in your argumentation: how would anyone know?! Personally I don't use the Online Db for "owned" child profiles, I won't use the Online Db for downloading "owned" child profiles, nor is anyone else required to do so. The only built-in (sic!) method to build disc-level profiles from scratch, is to enter the disc one-by-one into a drive. Long story short: I build disc-level profiles that way, and I contribute such disc-level profiles to the Online Db, if the Contribution Rules define them as "contributable". So what's the point in changing the Disc ID on a disc-level profile, as such a profile is contributable anyway? We'll just end up with two disc-level profiles, both internally attached to the same Disc ID, what I consider technically the worst possible case. | | | | Last edited: by M_E |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I still believe 100% the way I did it is the way the rules ask us to do it. But as I said already... I am now holding off till I hear back from Ken (Sent a Support Ticket already). | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: December 22, 2008 | | Posts: 87 |
| | Posted: | | | | I didn't mean to rush anything or pick at you, I'm also waiting on Ken's feedback. I just wanted to give another less vocalized perspective, as we're not required to download existing profiles, in order to change them. I fear that sometimes people seem to forget that.  |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | IMHO this is pretty simple. Before you contribute you must make sure that you make your changes to correct profile. In case of DVDP correct means that the primary key of that profile, which separates profiles from to another, matches with your contribution. DVDP primary key is a combination of UPC/DiscID and locality. So if you want to add alternate DiscID to a profile which uses UPC it's fine, as long the UPC matches, but in case of DiscID based profiles alternate DiscIDs are impossible. You are just editing the incorrect profile and should make a new one with your DiscID. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Kulju... I don't see anywhere in the rules that says the disc id in the disc section must match the disc ID of the primary key. So how do you say it must match if it don't say it must match in the rules?
I already showed in the opening post where what I did is going by the rules. If what you all are saying is based on the rules... I certainly don't see it.
When I contribute (or vote)... I do so by what the rules actually say... not what I want them to say... or what seems to "make sense" to me.
But as I said... I am holding off now until I hear back from Ken on the subject. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 26, 2009 | | Posts: 1,387 |
| | Posted: | | | | Per the rules.
If your Disc ID differs from the Disc ID in the main database, you may change it and re-contribute it. All Disc IDs are stored in the main database and are used for disc identification within DVD Profiler.
So you should be able to contribute a different disc Id. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Which is exactly what I was trying to do... not make an entire new profile. I couldn't find anywhere in the rules where it told us to make an entire new profile for each and every alternate disc ID. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
The Disc IDs for Disc ID-based profiles shouldn't be changed. It's implicit that a Disc ID profile retain the original Disc ID. If later, alternate Disc IDs come out then new profiles for those disc IDs should be created. This. Quoting Kulju: Quote:
[...] in case of DiscID based profiles alternate DiscIDs are impossible. You are just editing the incorrect profile and should make a new one with your DiscID. And this, too. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I asked before... please tell me where this is based in the rules.
I showed in the first post where mine is based in the rules. Please be kind enough to do the same. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting OldMan56: Quote:
Per the rules.
If your Disc ID differs from the Disc ID in the main database, you may change it and re-contribute it. All Disc IDs are stored in the main database and are used for disc identification within DVD Profiler. Yes, this is based on assumption that the user is adding the alternate DiscID to correct profile. In this case he isn't. Quote:
So you should be able to contribute a different disc Id. Again, yes to a correct profile, in this case not. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Where is this based on the rules? I can't find anything in the rules that says adding an alternate disc ID to a child (disc id profile) is against the rules... instead I read that these child profiles are to be made per standard rules and the standard rules tells us to add these alternate disc IDs as I done.
I can't fathom how these are the wrong profiles when they are the exact same titles in the exact same releases... only thing different being the disc id. Most all releases has alternate disc IDs... and the standard rules tells us how to handle these alternate disc IDs... and the TV Series child profile rules tells us to use the standard rules for contributing. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Kulju... I don't see anywhere in the rules that says the disc id in the disc section must match the disc ID of the primary key. So how do you say it must match if it don't say it must match in the rules?
You gotta be joking, right? Of course you should edit correct profile which correlates with your disc. It goes without saying. So in your opinion I can change Title for example to "Matrix" on any profile I like since rules doesn't say that I must edit CORRECT profile. I mean, seriously? |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I read that these child profiles are to be made per standard rules. Yes and if the profile isn't in db you should create it first, per standard rules. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting OldMan56: Quote:
Per the rules.
If your Disc ID differs from the Disc ID in the main database, you may change it and re-contribute it. All Disc IDs are stored in the main database and are used for disc identification within DVD Profiler.
So you should be able to contribute a different disc Id. But you would be contributing a different Disc ID, when the very profile itself is based on, and was added by, a unique Disc ID in the first place. That's what I have against this. Is it so hard to simply contribute the new Disc ID as its own profile? It would be far more accurate and usable to the database that way. But the rules also say "If a title does not have a UPC, then add the title by Disc ID, using your DVD-ROM drive." Which tells me that when you add a profile by Disc ID via your drive instead of UPC, that ID is 100% accurate from the very ID which it was solely based from. A different Disc ID should be entered as a new Disc ID profile as I view that. I can see reading that on the opposite too, the rules are anything but clearcut here. It's clear that there are two opposing viewpoints here, so I hope Ken makes a decision on it once and for all. | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Where is this based on the rules? I can't find anything in the rules that says adding an alternate disc ID to a child (disc id profile) is against the rules... So it's ok if I add my Finnish Matrix DiscID to US Dumb & Dumber profile as an alternative discID? Please show me the section from the rules where this is prohibited. |
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