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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
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The topic is "Make-Up Effects / Make-Up Effects Artist", please check posting 1 in this thread.
I already addressed that issue in my first post And what about the good "[Cast Name] Makeup" vs. evil "[Role Name] Makeup"? | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jimmy S: Quote:
The topic is about the make-up effects crew role and we can't use Make-up Effects Artists according to the rules. I obviously disagree with your interpretation, which would also exclude (among many others) the following screen credits, since none of them are listed exactly like this in the crew table: Written for the Screen by Adapted for the Screen by Screen Play by From the Novel by From the Play by Recording Director Musical Score Art Direction Production Designed by Miss Hepburn's Costumes Designed by Beaux Arts Ball Costumes Designed by Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
And what about the good "[Cast Name] Makeup" vs. evil "[Role Name] Makeup"? I would say "no" at this point, because I' don't know why it was credited with the Role rather than with the Cast name, which seems a bit odd to me. Perhaps more specific information would clear things up. --------------- |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well put jimmy | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Written for the Screen by
Adapted for the Screen by
Screen Play by
From the Novel by
From the Play by
Recording Director
Musical Score
Art Direction
Production Designed by
Miss Hepburn's Costumes Designed by
Beaux Arts Ball Costumes Designed by Please can you stop going off-topic? The topic in discussion here is Make-up effects.... But since you persist at bringing this non-sense game playing on qualifying words... Written for the Screen by = Witten for the Screen = Screenwriter (if non original material) / Writer (if original) Adapted for the Screen by = Addapted for the Screen = Screenwriter Screen Play by = Screen Play = Screenwriter (if non original material) / Writer (if original) From the Novel by = Novel Writer = Original Material By From the Play by = Play Writer = Original Material By Recording Director = Non contribuable without seeing credit... Musical Score = Music score = Music writing = Music Composer Art Direction = Art Director (this is quite obvious for any rational human being) Production Designed by = Production Designer (this is quite obvious for any rational human being) Miss Hepburn's Costumes Designed by = Costumes Designed by = Costumes Designer Beaux Arts Ball Costumes Designed by = Costumes Designed by = Costumes Designer Incredible that I'm the one who have to spell the words for you... Anyway as I wrote this is off-topic and it's the way I would do it in my database not in the online database. | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting Lewis_Prothero:
I"ve just been trying to figure out how much crew data you're willing to remove from the online database in order to adhere to your narrow interpretation of the crew table. To ask another question: How many entries are you willing to shoehorn in to adhere your interpretation of the crew table? Why not enter the Make-Up Effects Artist as Make-Up Artist? This too only has one more noun than the rules require and don't forget the Golden Rule established by Meat Loaf "Two out of Three Ain't Bad" You see, this question doesn't lose it's absurdity when turned around. So please stay on topic and don't try to press me into a corner that I never came from. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote:
While I remain with the wording of the rules and come to the conclusion "Disallowed".
You try to construct an explanation what Ken might have meant and come to the conclusion "Allowed" Let's be clear here, I didn't try to construct anything. What I said was, "The omission of the word 'artist' was, in my opinion, an oversight on Ken's part. I can't see any reason why he would not want us to include the make-up effects artist." I am sorry, but I see nothing trying to explain what Ken might have meant, just that I can't see a reason he wouldn't want to include it. Quote:
The problem I have here:
We cannot know what Ken might have intended. I never claimed to know what Ken might have intended...see above. Quote:
We do not know if he simply oversaw the "Artist" or if he omitted it on purpose. Again, I never claimed to know...it's just my opinion. Quote:
All we know is: It's not there. And this even though it explicitly appears in a quite comparable section. We also know that one section, make-up artist, was created by the rules committee, while the other was created by Ken...along with the Profiler entry...at the request of the users. This, in my opinion, might have something to do with the wording being different. Quote:
IMO the only logic consequence from this: In the current version of the rules the Make-Up Effects Artist is disallowed. The rest can be solved in the rules request forum I have no problem with you having a different opinion, I just don't agree. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Let's be clear here, I didn't try to construct anything.[...]
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We also know that one section, make-up artist, was created by the rules committee, while the other was created by Ken...along with the Profiler entry...at the request of the users. This, in my opinion, might have something to do with the wording being different.
And if this isn't constructing an explanation I don't know what it is. We do not know why the wording is different, we might speculate, but unless Ken weighs in we'll never know. Until then we have to live with the fact that the wording is different. And act accordingly, of course. Quote:
I have no problem with you having a different opinion Neither do I. In fact this is one of the best discussions this forum had in the last few months. Sadly we as usual won't come to any conclusion, but it's so much fun, so if you don't mind we may continue playing a few rounds more. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 | | | | Last edited: by Lewis_Prothero |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jimmy S: Quote:
Please can you stop going off-topic? I believe the original questions were answered adequately on the first page, so if you'd like to stop going off-topic, be my guest. I may decide to wander around a bit. Quote:
Incredible that I'm the one who have to spell the words for you... At least you've satisfied me that you understand things can have the same meaning without having the same wording. --------------- | | | | Last edited: by scotthm |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote:
To ask another question:
How many entries are you willing to shoehorn in to adhere your interpretation of the crew table? I am not scott, but this question is based on a false premise...that premise being that including Make-Up Effects Artist, under Make-Up Effects is shoehorning. I don't know about scott, but I don't think it is. Now, listing Department Head Make-up as Make-Up Artist, that is shoehorning. Just my opinion. Quote:
Why not enter the Make-Up Effects Artist as Make-Up Artist? This too only has one more noun than the rules require and don't forget the Golden Rule established by Meat Loaf "Two out of Three Ain't Bad" Maybe, just maybe, because make-up and make-up effects are two completely different things? Make-up Effects and Make-Up Effects Artist...same thing. Make-Up Artist and Make-Up Effects...two different things. Again, just my opinion. As Kathy pointed out, this has been discussed before, with similar results, so I really don't see the need to go around the block again. Let's just agree to disagree. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting Jimmy S:
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Please can you stop going off-topic?
I believe the original questions were answered adequately on the first page, so if you'd like to stop going off-topic, be my guest. Can you in your infinite wisdom explaining to me in wich way talking about make-up effects in a thread with a question concerning the make-up effects crew role is going off-topic? Quote:
At least you've satisfied me that you understand things can have the same meaning without having the same wording. Never wrote the contrary except in your imagination. I wrote it wasn't contribuable with the rules written as they are now, not that I won't do it in my personal database. What we do in our personal database and the online database is two different thing. The rules are there for a reason and this is, like it or not, to protect the integrity of the database by not filling it with personal preferences. |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Lewis_Prothero:
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To ask another question:
How many entries are you willing to shoehorn in to adhere your interpretation of the crew table?
I am not scott, but this question is based on a false premise...that premise being that including Make-Up Effects Artist, under Make-Up Effects is shoehorning. Now please, don't start tearing my postings out of their context and turn them into something different. My question was direct response to scott's question: Quote:
how much crew data you're willing to remove from the online database in order to adhere to your narrow interpretation of the crew table And in the same way that I never said that I would remove anything from the online database, Scott never said that he would shoehorn anything in. That's why the closing of the post you so efficiently shortened was the remark that my post is just as absurd as his. But OK, let's agree to disagree. Will now please someone hand this over to the Rules forum? 10-4 | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 | | | | Last edited: by Lewis_Prothero |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote:
Will now please someone hand this over to the Rules forum?
We agree on this  As the problem is only a question of rules wording nothing else. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
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And what about the good "[Cast Name] Makeup" vs. evil "[Role Name] Makeup"?
I would say "no" at this point, because I' don't know why it was credited with the Role rather than with the Cast name, which seems a bit odd to me. Perhaps more specific information would clear things up.  Abe Sapien (Doug Jones) is a prominent character in Hellboy II: The Golden Army. How would you fellow users vote if this was added? Or in the reverse case removed? How would Invelos's reviewer judge? | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Abe Sapien Make-up Artist = Make-up for Abe Sapien = Make-up ArtistNo reason it wouldn't be contribuable as it is clearly written in the crew permitted list  | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Abe Sapien (Doug Jones) is a prominent character in Hellboy II: The Golden Army.
How would you fellow users vote if this was added? Or in the reverse case removed? How would Invelos's reviewer judge? Make-up Effects for me...but we all know where I am, so take it for what it's worth. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Abe Sapien (Doug Jones) is a prominent character in Hellboy II: The Golden Army.
How would you fellow users vote if this was added? Or in the reverse case removed? How would Invelos's reviewer judge? I wouldn't object to this being contributed. Quoting Jimmy S: Quote:
Abe Sapien Make-up Artist = Make-up for Abe Sapien = Make-up Artist Thank you for pointing out that "Make-up for Abe Sapien" = "Make-up Artist", since this essentially agrees with what I've been saying in this thread. --------------- |
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