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Personally I see no difference.
Stan Winston is mentioned above - he is credited with 'Live Action Dinosaurs' in Jurassic Park. He created the "prosthetic sculpting, molding and casting techniques to create advanced cosmetic effects" to produce life-like dinosaurs.
So, to me at least, whether the prosthetics crew worked on a facial make-up or a limb it's all prosthetic make-up to 'create cosmetic effects'.

But, that's just my opinion.

I just don't get how you don't see a difference.  Take the Stan Winston example...that prosthetic sculpting, molding and casting was used to design and create dinosaurs, which are creatures, making it a Creature Designer credit, not Make-up Effects.

Makeup and makeup effects are used to improve or alter an actors appearance.  I don't see how prosthetics, used for any other purpose, can be considered as makeup. 

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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FX Supervisor is a direct translation of the credit Special Effects Supervisor.

The direct translation of Special Effects Supervisor depends of the language in which you translate. In the same language, words with same meaning are generally called a synonym.

Synonyms are different words with almost identical or similar meanings. Words that are synonyms are said to be synonymous, and the state of being a synonym is called synonymy. The word comes from Ancient Greek syn (s??) ("with") and onoma (???µa) ("name"). The words car and automobile are synonyms. Similarly, if we talk about a long time or an extended time, long and extended become synonyms. In the figurative sense, two words are often said to be synonymous if they have the same connotation...

Translation is the communication of the meaning of a source-language text by means of an equivalent target-language text. Whereas interpreting undoubtedly antedates writing, translation began only after the appearance of written literature; there exist partial translations of the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh (ca. 2000 BCE) into Southwest Asian languages of the second millennium BCE...

But rules say nothing about synonyms, just about translations...

Quoting surfeur51:

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we have a marvellous tool to get exactly what we want : forget the online, use the program and local data...

I don't want people to forget the online. I apprechiate all the work that the community saves me by contributing profiles.

Of course there are a few things that one might want to change locally but that data is miniscule compared to the amount of work and time I've saved utilizing the online database.

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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Quoting Pantheon:

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Personally I see no difference.
Stan Winston is mentioned above - he is credited with 'Live Action Dinosaurs' in Jurassic Park. He created the "prosthetic sculpting, molding and casting techniques to create advanced cosmetic effects" to produce life-like dinosaurs.
So, to me at least, whether the prosthetics crew worked on a facial make-up or a limb it's all prosthetic make-up to 'create cosmetic effects'.

But, that's just my opinion.

I just don't get how you don't see a difference.  Take the Stan Winston example...that prosthetic sculpting, molding and casting was used to design and create dinosaurs, which are creatures, making it a Creature Designer credit, not Make-up Effects.

Makeup and makeup effects are used to improve or alter an actors appearance.  I don't see how prosthetics, used for any other purpose, can be considered as makeup. 

Actually, Stan Winston is credited with 'Live Action Dinosaurs' - nowhere does it say he designed them.
He may have only fabricated/built them from the designs of others.

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However, the same person is adding 'FX Supervisors' to the profile.  Someone tell me where FX Supervisors are in the crew list?

FX is an informal film term for Special Effects, has been for well over 25 years.  FX Supervisor is a direct translation of the credit Special Effects Supervisor.

I'm sorry, but where in the rules does it state that FX is an informal term for Special Effects?

I grant you that FX stands for Effects - but where does the Special come from?

I've never, in my life, heard it said that FX stands for Special Effects until reading your post.

I will concede that adding Prosthetics people to profiler falls into the same grey area and therefore I will cease adding them in a contributable manner.
But, the same applies for FX as far as I am concerned.

I have seen and added SFX Supervisors (Special Effects Supervisor) and VFX Supervisors (Visual Effects Supervisor), but unless the rules state that FX Supervisor is also an acceptable entry I will not enter it.

Consistency is everything isn't it?

I added them in my local for Captain America, only because they were credited inside a VFX group divider for Double Negative. Outside the divider I couldn't tell you if they were FX Supervisors for Visual, Special or Sound. So I wouldn't contribute them.

Well, the voting's getting pretty much 50/50. So I think we need a clarification of the rules regarding 'Prosthetics Designer' from Ken.

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FX, or F/X, in the film industry, is always Special Effects so I don't see any grey area there.

You don't see a grey area, but I do.

I feel that this falls into an area that needs clarification in the rules.

I have a reasonable knowledge of the film industry and, as stated earlier, had never heard/read that FX stands for Special Effects. I always thought it stood simply for 'Effects'.
I'm sure I am not alone in this misunderstanding.
No one can be expected to search the internet for explanations of these terms and, as always, it is not up to the forum to decide whether a term is acceptable.

Personally I see Prosthetics as a 'direct translation' of make-up effects, especially when grouped within the make-up section. Others do not.
The same will apply to FX. Just because you, the internet or anyone stated this is the common abbreviation of Special Effects doesn't not make it so for everyone.

Therefore the simple solution (   ) is for the rules to updated to include these.

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FX, or F/X, in the film industry, is always Special Effects so I don't see any grey area there.

You don't see a grey area, but I do.

I feel that this falls into an area that needs clarification in the rules.

I have a reasonable knowledge of the film industry and, as stated earlier, had never heard/read that FX stands for Special Effects. I always thought it stood simply for 'Effects'.
I'm sure I am not alone in this misunderstanding.
No one can be expected to search the internet for explanations of these terms and, as always, it is not up to the forum to decide whether a term is acceptable.

Personally I see Prosthetics as a 'direct translation' of make-up effects, especially when grouped within the make-up section. Others do not.
The same will apply to FX. Just because you, the internet or anyone stated this is the common abbreviation of Special Effects doesn't not make it so for everyone.

Therefore the simple solution (   ) is for the rules to updated to include these.

I seen lately in the movies I've re-edited:
Sound FX
Vocal FX
Visual FX
Special FX
Creature FX
Makeup FX
Special Makeup FX
Prosthetic FX
Prosthetic Makeup FX
Optic FX
Photographic FX
Digital FX