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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Grendell:
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Whoa, wait a minute. Are you saying that in cases where François Berléand is credited exactly that way on screen, people are contributing it to the online as Francois Berleand? That's not right, and it's totally against the rules!
No. what I say is that when we have FRANCOIS BERLEAND (which is perfectly correct) on screen, which is François Berléand in small caps, contributors enter Francois Berleand. It is not a rule, but a "clarification" from Ken. Fortunately (though I do not understand the logic) , when you have EVENEMENT (Event in English) as part of a title on cover, you are requested by rules to transform it correctly in small caps as évènement.
This is the main reason of non linking for actors, followed by the asian names problem (Gong Li do not link with Li Gong), and both make the online database unuseful. You're so full of crap that your eyes are brown and everyone needs to wear hip-waders around here. The reason these names won't link is because according to the rules, credits are to be entered exactly as credited and then...wait for it...wait for it...the CLT comes into play and we use the MOST COMMONLY CREDITED name in the database as the COMMON NAME with "credtied as" for how they are credited on-screen. But of course you ommit this in your diatribe because you wish everyone to believe your BS about how bad the database is and telling users it's best not to use it. And BTW...if the on-screen credit is FRANCOIS BERLEAND then in Profiler you enter Francois Berleand...that's the rules. If, however, the CLT shows that François Berléand is the most commonly credited name in the database, then François Berléand is what is entered along with "credited as" Francois Berleand. That's the way it is. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes... while I don't think it is the best solution. Ken's clarification along with "Credited As" can work if you are willing to put the work into it.
That being said... I can't wait to see what Ken comes up with for the next version. Hopefully it will be a better solution to the linking problem. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Yes... while I don't think it is the best solution. Ken's clarification along with "Credited As" can work if you are willing to put the work into it.
That being said... I can't wait to see what Ken comes up with for the next version. Hopefully it will be a better solution to the linking problem. I agree...it's not the best solution...but for now, them's the rules. Ken has stated that he's working on a new linking feature for the next version. I just hope it's soon  . | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
This is the main reason of non linking for actors For you, perhaps, but certainly not for everyone. How would your "solution" solve the linking problem between Casey Adams & Max Showalter, or between Anne Shirley & Dawn O'Day? These are the type of linking problems I usually run in to. --------------- |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
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This is the main reason of non linking for actors
For you, perhaps, but certainly not for everyone. How would your "solution" solve the linking problem between Casey Adams & Max Showalter, or between Anne Shirley & Dawn O'Day? These are the type of linking problems I usually run in to.
In my collection, I have about one hundred such cases, including married actresses. For those, I use IMDb name, which, of course, cannot be copyrighted. I have more than 1200 accented actors, and nearly 800 asian actors. I agree that people who are not too much interested by European or Asian movies, the problem might be different. I gave my opinion, and explained why, for me, the online database is useless. I'm happy for those who find it useful, but this is not my case. I just regret that for some users it seems impossible to argue without sending insults, as we can see on top of this page. Those users claim they follow contribution rules, but should also read forum rules: "Please try to be polite and respect others' opinions, even if you don't always agree with them." | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 823 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Bad Father: Quote:
And BTW...if the on-screen credit is FRANCOIS BERLEAND then in Profiler you enter Francois Berleand...that's the rules. No, it's not. The rules state, "Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead." Following standard capitalization rules, FRANCOIS BERLEAND = François Berléand. Why do people have such a hard time with this? I don't get it. | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
Quoting Bad Father:
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And BTW...if the on-screen credit is FRANCOIS BERLEAND then in Profiler you enter Francois Berleand...that's the rules.
No, it's not.
The rules state, "Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead."
Following standard capitalization rules, FRANCOIS BERLEAND = François Berléand.
Why do people have such a hard time with this? I don't get it. Are you for real? Standard Capitalization of FRANCOIS BERLEAND is Francois Berleand. That's what Standard means  . What you are referring to is LOCALIZATION. Not everyone in the world speaks French or is familiar with the use of accents or special characters. If a user sees FRANCOIS BERLEAND in the credits, Standard Capitalization rules require him/her to enter Francois Berleand. How is a user, not from France...or familiar with the language, supposed to know that FRANCOIS BERLEAND = François Berléand? He or she is not. If someone familiar with the language notices that a profile has Francois Berleand in the credits, he/she can submit the change to François Berléand if they feel so inclined. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Not for nothing, but how is a user for whom english isn't their first language, supposed to know that Standard Capitalization of FRANCOIS BERLEAND is Francois Berleand instead of the version with the accents? I'm just saying, if my name had accents in it and somebody told me to write it in standard capitalized form, it would have accents. And if you told me I was wrong, I'd might mention that you were an idiot and that I should know how to write my own name.
What the rule should say is write like we do in America, where accents don't count.
By definition, standard capitalization has absolutely no bearing on lower-case accented letters, unless of course they are the intial letter in the word. Of course one doesn't have to believe me, they are free to consult the wiki page on capitalization or any other readily available online resource.
Personally, I could care less how this goes down. I modify all my profiles locally to suit my tastes. I just always find it amusing when someone's little narrow experience is supposed to inform the rest of the world on the only right way to do things. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | What I do if someone contributes with accents where there is none in the credits... I just point them to Ken's clarification and explain to them that is how it needs to be done for the online. And explain how they can lock it differently in their local if they like. Other then some saying how they don't like it... I really don't have that much trouble with it.
Of course I don't have that many non-English movies where it comes up for me all that often. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Not for nothing, but how is a user for whom english isn't their first language, supposed to know that Standard Capitalization of FRANCOIS BERLEAND is Francois Berleand instead of the version with the accents? I'm just saying, if my name had accents in it and somebody told me to write it in standard capitalized form, it would have accents. And if you told me I was wrong, I'd might mention that you were an idiot and that I should know how to write my own name.
What the rule should say is write like we do in America, where accents don't count.
By definition, standard capitalization has absolutely no bearing on lower-case accented letters, unless of course they are the intial letter in the word. Of course one doesn't have to believe me, they are free to consult the wiki page on capitalization or any other readily available online resource.
Personally, I could care less how this goes down. I modify all my profiles locally to suit my tastes. I just always find it amusing when someone's little narrow experience is supposed to inform the rest of the world on the only right way to do things. Ok...So, from your point of view, anyone that doesn't know that FRANCOIS BERLEAND = François Berléand and enters Francois Berleand when contributing a Region 1 profile is a narrow-minded idiot? Is this right? | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Bad Father: Quote:
Quoting mdnitoil:
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Not for nothing, but how is a user for whom english isn't their first language, supposed to know that Standard Capitalization of FRANCOIS BERLEAND is Francois Berleand instead of the version with the accents? I'm just saying, if my name had accents in it and somebody told me to write it in standard capitalized form, it would have accents. And if you told me I was wrong, I'd might mention that you were an idiot and that I should know how to write my own name.
What the rule should say is write like we do in America, where accents don't count.
By definition, standard capitalization has absolutely no bearing on lower-case accented letters, unless of course they are the intial letter in the word. Of course one doesn't have to believe me, they are free to consult the wiki page on capitalization or any other readily available online resource.
Personally, I could care less how this goes down. I modify all my profiles locally to suit my tastes. I just always find it amusing when someone's little narrow experience is supposed to inform the rest of the world on the only right way to do things.
Ok...So, from your point of view, anyone that doesn't know that FRANCOIS BERLEAND = François Berléand and enters Francois Berleand when contributing a Region 1 profile is a narrow-minded idiot? Is this right? No...if you don't know better then you can't be at fault. Of course, once somebody corrects you and you persist in doing it wrong, well....call that whatever you want. The greater point I was trying to make was the violent reaction when someone NOT from region 1 sees it differently and is treated like an idiot. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
I gave my opinion, and explained why, for me, the online database is useless. I'm happy for those who find it useful, but this is not my case. I am sorry, but that isn't what you did. You told a user that the best thing to do was to avoid the online database. Had you actually stated that it was the best thing for you, I wouldn't have said a word.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
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I gave my opinion, and explained why, for me, the online database is useless. I'm happy for those who find it useful, but this is not my case.
I am sorry, but that isn't what you did. You told a user that the best thing to do was to avoid the online database. Had you actually stated that it was the best thing for you, I wouldn't have said a word. I was responding to your "best advice" about how to use the online: Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
That is the best advice, and explanation, ever given. One should never, ever, update without previewing first. Had you actually stated that it was the best advice for you, I wouldn't have said a word. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
Quoting Bad Father:
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And BTW...if the on-screen credit is FRANCOIS BERLEAND then in Profiler you enter Francois Berleand...that's the rules.
No, it's not.
The rules state, "Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead."
Following standard capitalization rules, FRANCOIS BERLEAND = François Berléand.
Why do people have such a hard time with this? I don't get it. You aren't the only one. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
FRANCOIS BERLEAND = François Berléand.
Why do people have such a hard time with this? I guess because they know that c is not the same character as ç, and e is a different character than é. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Bad Father: Quote:
Standard Capitalization of FRANCOIS BERLEAND is Francois Berleand. That's what Standard means . Five-star general Douglas Macarthur is thanking you for your wise input. Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
I guess because they know that c is not the same character as ç, and e is a different character than é. And C is not the same character as c. The first one is 67, the second one is 99. You can look that up in any ASCII (= American Standard Code for Information Interchange) table you want.  | | | Karsten
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