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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
Quoting bigdaddyhorse:
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For TV stuff, we have the rating option of TV, so genre is almost redundant.
Unfortunately not. It's only because the US has two different rating systems for cinema and TV. In Germany you have only one system (FSK), in the UK it's the same (BBFC). Not only is the Television Rating system not in all regions/localities... but you also can't filter on it. As long as both those are the case we still need television in the Genres as well (or new field as I mentioned before). | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | I simply use "tags" for this purpose and always put TV last in the genre list, since to me, it is much more important to know whether the item in question is sci fi, or comedy or drama.
I use these tags:
TV
and
TV Boxsets
This makes finding my TV stuff very easy!
I'd really like Ken to create a "medium" field. But until then, TV is a perfectly legitimate genre for DVDP purposes. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
And by the way. Television is not a genre it is a medium. Television is furniture. | | | | Hans |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote:
Quoting ateo357:
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And by the way. Television is not a genre it is a medium.
Television is furniture. Not really anymore my beer keeps falling off the flat screen. |
| | Registered: December 22, 2008 |  Posts: 87 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Not only is the Television Rating system not in all regions/localities... but you also can't filter on it. It wouldn't help, even if you could filter. Media Companies can submit TV series to the MPAA for a rating. NBC has done this with the Kingpin TV series – 6 episodes, not renewed for a second season, so in retrospect considered a mini-series. When NBC released the series on DVD through Lions Gate HE (this was before the Universal merger), they submitted all six episodes to the MPAA, and all six episodes carry an individual MPAA rating, with the highest rating (R) being printed on the DVD pack. If you would filter through the rating system, the Kingpin TV series would not appear as originating from Television. So even the US rating system won't tell you if something is a TV production, a theatrical production, or a direct-to-video release. Also consider, that in the US a rating is not mandatory at all, so far only Buena Vista/Disney, HBO and Shout (sometimes) print the (highest) orginal TV rating on TV series releases – WB, TCF, CBS Paramount, Universal, Sony, Lionsgate, Anchor Bay and E1 (accounting for some 90% to 95% of the TV on DVD releases) don't. So the rating system has to stay completely independent from the current Genre system or any other future "original media" system. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | those rare (as far as I seen rare) titles are one of the reasons I would rather have a new field for Television / Theatrical / Direct to DVD. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
those rare (as far as I seen rare) titles are one of the reasons I would rather have a new field for Television / Theatrical / Direct to DVD. I wouldn't mind a separate field either. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ateo:
Call Television whatever you want, IN Profiler it IS a Genre. It is a stupid discussion becsuse it like other issues comes up several times every year when some user or another wants to carp about it, instead o0f understanding and accepting the very obvuious answer. It make s no difference what you think i hink or anyone else, and you have no idea what my position miight be it is has no relevance, the FACT is that in Profiler it IS a Genre and I accept that. The program is what it is and changes will NOT happen until the next version is released. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,878 |
| | Posted: | | | | You know what else aren't genres? Anime. Animation. Family. Children's. Classic. Special Interest.
Anime and Animation are both mediums, or formats, just like Live-Action. Ghost is the Shell is a science-fiction movie set in a cyberpunk future. Grave of the Fireflies is a dramatic tragedy set during WWII. Except for the fact that both are anime, they have nothing in common.
How does one determine what is a Classic, anyway? (I've simply eliminated it from my local.) Or "Special Interest?" I get slightly infuriated with so many Documentaries (a genre we have available) being labeled "Special Interest." The argument that it could appeal to people with a special interest in whatever the doc is about is spurious in my opinion, as that could make that genre apply to every DVD.
What is the difference between "Family" and "Children's" anyway? And how does one determine that? Sure, we can generally say Bear and the Big Blue House is for children, but then what is "Family"?
My point here, such as it is, is that we have a lot of entries in the genre field that aren't genres. Some of them (Family, Children) are actually marketing labels. Some of them (Anime, Animation) are mediums/formats. And some of them have no clear definition (Special Interest, Classic, Family). If we want to eliminate Television from the genre field because it is not a genre, we should eliminate all the others that are not genres.
Ideally, we would have a "Release" field, which would include the choice of Television, Theatrical, and Direct-to-Video. We would have another field, for something like "Medium" or "Format" to include stuff like Anime, Animation, Live-Action (B&W), Live-Action (Color), Live-Action (Silent). I don't know what the heck we could do with the other not-genres.
Or we could re-label the genre field. Or break it into two fields like we did with studios & media companies. Or we could leave it the way it is. I just keep my genre changes local, because everyone has their own ideas about how it should be (including me). | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
How does one determine what is a Classic, anyway? (I've simply eliminated it from my local.) Or "Special Interest?" I get slightly infuriated with so many Documentaries (a genre we have available) being labeled "Special Interest." I can explain this for Germany: In our electronic stores every DVD where the clerks don't know where to put it (coz it's not a movie or a TV series) gets put into the "Special Interest" section. There you'll find documentaries, fireplace fire DVDs and everything else that won't find into a small corset. | | | Karsten
DVD Collectors Online
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | To me personally, Family/Children is very easy.
Family has something entertaining for everyone. Children and Adults alike. Stuff like Walt Disney/Pixar animated movies Pretty much anything put out under Walt Disney... animated or live action would be family as everyone in the family can enjoy it.
Children is stuff that were made with only children in mind. Not meant for adults at all. Think stuff like Dora the Explorer and Blues Clues. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
You know what else aren't genres? Anime. Animation. Family. Children's. Classic. Special Interest.
Anime and Animation are both mediums, or formats, just like Live-Action. Ghost is the Shell is a science-fiction movie set in a cyberpunk future. Grave of the Fireflies is a dramatic tragedy set during WWII. Except for the fact that both are anime, they have nothing in common.
How does one determine what is a Classic, anyway? (I've simply eliminated it from my local.) Or "Special Interest?" I get slightly infuriated with so many Documentaries (a genre we have available) being labeled "Special Interest." The argument that it could appeal to people with a special interest in whatever the doc is about is spurious in my opinion, as that could make that genre apply to every DVD.
What is the difference between "Family" and "Children's" anyway? And how does one determine that? Sure, we can generally say Bear and the Big Blue House is for children, but then what is "Family"?
My point here, such as it is, is that we have a lot of entries in the genre field that aren't genres. Some of them (Family, Children) are actually marketing labels. Some of them (Anime, Animation) are mediums/formats. And some of them have no clear definition (Special Interest, Classic, Family). If we want to eliminate Television from the genre field because it is not a genre, we should eliminate all the others that are not genres.
Ideally, we would have a "Release" field, which would include the choice of Television, Theatrical, and Direct-to-Video. We would have another field, for something like "Medium" or "Format" to include stuff like Anime, Animation, Live-Action (B&W), Live-Action (Color), Live-Action (Silent). I don't know what the heck we could do with the other not-genres.
Or we could re-label the genre field. Or break it into two fields like we did with studios & media companies. Or we could leave it the way it is. I just keep my genre changes local, because everyone has their own ideas about how it should be (including me). Cass: They are Genre to Profiler, what you think they are or aren't has no relevance. And WE can't do anything only Ken can. Once you understand and accept that in Profiler they are Genre then this nonsense and others like it can end. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 26, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,878 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Cass:
They are Genre to Profiler, what you think they are or aren't has no relevance. And WE can't do anything only Ken can. Once you understand and accept that in Profiler they are Genre then this nonsense and others like it can end. I've already accepted that, hence the point at the end of my post about keeping my changes local. I'm simply pointing out that if we eliminate one not-genre for that reason, then the rest have to go as well. But I still think having two more fields, should Ken put them in and make them filterable, would be good. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield | | | | Last edited: by Danae Cassandra |
| | Registered: June 21, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
Quoting bigdaddyhorse:
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For TV stuff, we have the rating option of TV, so genre is almost redundant.
Unfortunately not. It's only because the US has two different rating systems for cinema and TV. In Germany you have only one system (FSK), in the UK it's the same (BBFC). Ahh ha, that could be an issue then. US is probably the only place with TV ratings I would now guess. My plan works for US users, who have all US discs in their collections.  I am not one of those users, although I don't have any non-US TV shows, I do have a couple of movies that were made for UK TV I've discovered. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I said before, just make the genre field local only and have done.
Personally I think classic/family/special interest/accessories are all totally useless. But that's just my opinion and I wouldn't want them removed because other people may use them.
Likewise, I don't like an over abundance of tags, so I use custom genres for all those things I want to quickly access, so I have created the following 'Genres':
Time Travel
Superhero
Stephen King
Ghosts
Vampires
Werewolves
Period Drama
Christmas
Mystery
Slasher.
Are these truly genres? Probably not. Do I care? Nope. Would I want them added to Profiler? NO!
To me, the custom genre is one of the best things Ken added to Profiler in recent years! |
| | Registered: September 2, 2007 | | Posts: 39 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Ateo:
Call Television whatever you want, IN Profiler it IS a Genre. It is a stupid discussion becsuse it like other issues comes up several times every year when some user or another wants to carp about it, instead o0f understanding and accepting the very obvuious answer. It make s no difference what you think i hink or anyone else, and you have no idea what my position miight be it is has no relevance, the FACT is that in Profiler it IS a Genre and I accept that. The program is what it is and changes will NOT happen until the next version is released. I'm not sure why you get so hot under the collar about this. If you find the discussion worthless you don't have to participate. And anyway, my original point was not that Television should be removed as a genre (although I personally agree with others who think it is not on the same level as Western or War) but that we, as the user community who contribute the profiles, could avoid putting Television first because it makes a nonsense of sort-by-genre and some of the graphs/statistics. Even worse, on many TV series the ordering is erratic so a sort-by-genre actually spits the series across several categories. Discussions like this may repeat - mainly because new customers trip over the issue after the older discussion has fallen below the horizon (and the search facilities on these boards don't seem to work too well, at least for me). It is valuable to see what more experienced users think - there might be reasons that things are done in specific ways that have not occurred to a new user. And although it is Ken's final decision as to what is done where and when I'm sure he is interested in what his customers think and how they use the product. If he isn't then it is his perogative to say "shut up and put up", not anybody elses. |
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