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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't see a point in voting since this issue doesn't really affect me, however, given the choice between giant ratings boxes and not, I'll take not every day of the week and be happy to give up some quality if it means not having to stare at a big box of ugly. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Because when it comes to Cover Scans…it’s all SUBJECTIVE!!!  .  Rethinking your position ... At least on this we can agree. In fact subjectiveness (or personal preferences) is all this thread is about. Thanks to all for participating.  | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Silence_of_Lambs: Quote:
I wish it were as easy as using this graphic to shut down threads. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
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I wish it were as easy as using this graphic to shut down threads. It would have worked had you not posted  . | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | simply put I hate use of words such as may, can or similar. Users will always try to use such words to manipulate a given Rule. It reminds of the time when we had Guidelines and users would say things like Guidelines don't HAVE to be followed or obeyed. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheDarkKnight: Quote:
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As an outsider's opinion... I voted I am undecided about this one. Where the rule allows either side of the cover... I can see voting to keep an image that don't have the rating logo... if that is what they prefer. But at the same time I feel that the quality of the scans should be a consideration as well.
I guess if I was in this situation as a voter I would have to weigh the benefits... do I feel there is enough of a quality improvement to accept the addition of a scan with the rating logo? Or am I satisfied enough with the quality of the current to vote no because I don't want the logo. So I guess in my eyes it my opinion would have to be on a case by case basis.
But Pete, since the rules talk about significant improvement and not if the cover has the rating logo or not, shouldn't the vote, according to the rules, be yes?
Dirk Significant improvement is subjective and is likely to vary from user to user | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was one of the No voters, and your scans were definitely an improvement , but as almost every title that has a "Wendecover" is in the database without the huge logo, I prefer to have this one too without the logo.
The majority seems to support this, but I can also understand your point, that you want the cover like it is displayed in the stores
Multiple covers ftw!
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Significant improvement is subjective and is likely to vary from user to user True and then there is always somebody who doesn't want to see improvement. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Depends on how onne defines improvement. I am not a fan of the German system of the large Ratings on the cover but it is what it is, it is what we see on our shelves and in the stores. IF it is a sticker I would try to remove it, if it is printed then so be it, but to try to go to something else entirely simply try and circumvent the basic premise of the rule, which is to provide the cover as it is on the shelf seems to me to be self-serving, but then we see a lot of that sort of silliness | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
but to try to go to something else entirely simply try and circumvent the basic premise of the rule, which is to provide the cover as it is on the shelf seems to me to be self-serving Please show me exactly where in the rules regarding cover images that I can find this "premise" you say contributors are circumventing  . For the life of me, I can seem to find it anywhere . I do however find this in the rules: •The inner sleeve may be used in lieu of the front cover as long as the only difference is the exclusion of sticker(s) or rating overlays. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Every location has rating logos on the cover. And they may even change over time. I strongly believe that our images should always show the original product, and not other artwork from wherever it may come. You may disagree but the rules clearly allow for alternative artwork. The covers still have to come from the original product of course, I don't see anyone saying anything else. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Silence_of_Lambs: Quote:
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I don't see voting no being more "incorrect" than trying to impose the logo on the online when it's clearly not wanted by the majority
I didn't "impose" anything!
I contributed new coverscans and withdrew my contribution when the "No"-votes arrived.
I simply started this poll to find out if I got the voters on a bad day, or if their attitude is supported by the majority.
Not more and not less. Really? In most of your posts you seem to argue that your covers should be accepted anyway because they are of better quality. Maybe I missed something, but it sound like you are trying to impose something. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote:
Really? In most of your posts you seem to argue that your covers should be accepted anyway because they are of better quality. Maybe I missed something, but it sound like you are trying to impose something.  I really hope that you never ever contribute to the maindatabase. Because in your definition every contribution is trying to "impose" something. And not understanding the reason for a "No" and asking why something that you consider to be an improvement gets declined is probably even worse, because in this case you are "insisting" ... "impose" ...  EDIT: But to make the reason for this thread a bit clearer to you: - In my eyes I made a completely valid contribution (Subjective!) - All but one voter agreed that my contribution is an improvement (Objective) - All nevertheless voted "No" because they prefer the absence of the Rating logo (Personal Preference) In my opinion (Subjective!) Voting on contributions should be based on the contribution rules, personal preferences aren't supposed to influence this. Otherwise I would be allowed to vote "No" on any "Company Divider" in the Crew section, because I (Subjective!) consider them to be completely useless (Personal Preference!). I didn't understand how the voters on one hand could say that my scans were an improvement and on the other hand vote "No". So I withdrew and asked if this is supported by the other users of the forum. Obviously this is the case. So problem solved. I only would have tried to "impose" if, even though the majority of the voters already voted "No", I would have kept my contribution online and in case of a decline would have re-contributed | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
I was one of the No voters, and your scans were definitely an improvement , but as almost every title that has a "Wendecover" is in the database without the huge logo, I prefer to have this one too without the logo.
The majority seems to support this, but I can also understand your point, that you want the cover like it is displayed in the stores
Multiple covers ftw!
Donnie I have no dog in this fight, but I'd prefer the scan without the logo as long as it's not horrible. Here in the U.S., it is not at all uncommon for DVD/Blu rays to have an outer cellophane covering with a variety of stickers on them. This is "like it is displayed in the stores", but I don't think anyone would submit a scan with the cellophane and stickers still on the case. I'm interested in the most unobstructed view of the actual cover art that can be scanned. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Here in the U.S., it is not at all uncommon for DVD/Blu rays to have an outer cellophane covering with a variety of stickers on them. This is "like it is displayed in the stores", but I don't think anyone would submit a scan with the cellophane and stickers still on the case.
I'm interested in the most unobstructed view of the actual cover art that can be scanned. Not only do they place those stickers on the cellophane but all over the actual slip cases as well. If we were to follow Skip's "premise" then all of those stickers on the outter slip case must be included in the scans because isn't that "the cover as it is on the shelf"? I don't think so. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | 8Ball: I think the German thing for ratings actually involves a sticker on the cover itself or printed one of the two. At least this is true of what I have seen. Stickers or cellophane is another issue altogether. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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