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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
there is an easy way. Just add at the beginning of rules a sentence saying something like that:
"Those rules are to be followed in almost every cases. Nevertheless, in odd cases where strict application of rules does not allow to enter correct data, a contribution with "common sense" data and explicit notes can be submitted for approval by screeners." "In almost every cases" does not sound like a good rule to me. And a short footnote should explain what "correct" means. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
I know and understand...
I have found that following these guidelines has made the contribution process very simple. Not to mention fun. Good post Kathy. | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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Of course one could argue that the Rules themselves are insufficient since there is no way that rules can be written to cover every situation.
Of course, there is an easy way. Just add at the beginning of rules a sentence saying something like that:
"Those rules are to be followed in almost every cases. Nevertheless, in odd cases where strict application of rules does not allow to enter correct data, a contribution with "common sense" data and explicit notes can be submitted for approval by screeners." Common sense won't work. I just pulled a contribution down because of no votes. I fixed 32 incorrect existing credits, but missed 2 existing credits, so I got no votes. Commen sense would have been now we have only 2 mistakes and not 34. |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
...I just pulled a contribution down because of no votes. I fixed 32 incorrect existing credits, but missed 2 existing credits, so I got no votes. Commen sense would have been now we have only 2 mistakes and not 34. I get no votes too but I don't mind when someone votes no. It usually means that I missed something or made a mistake somewhere. In those cases, I simply add the corrected data or fix my error and resubmit the corrected profile. In my new contribution notes I alert the voters to why I am resubmitting the profile and why need to vote again. I also publicly thank those sharp eyed members and give them green arrow too. Or, more rarely, I feel that my contribution is correct based on my understanding of the rules. I usually send a pm to the no voters explaining my rationale and requesting further clarification. If I still feel the data is correct, I might post a query in the forums to get further input. Finally, if I still feel that the contribution is correct I will edit my notes alerting the screeners to the various viewpoints. I can't see just pulling the contribution because of the time and effort put into contributing it is lost. In those few cases where there are no votes, it only takes a few more minutes to update the data and the database is improved in either case. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
I just pulled a contribution down because of no votes. I fixed 32 incorrect existing credits, but missed 2 existing credits, so I got no votes. Why not just correct the two missed credits and re-submit instead of removing the contribution? The voters are simply letting you know about the errors. That's what they're supposed to do. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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I just pulled a contribution down because of no votes. I fixed 32 incorrect existing credits, but missed 2 existing credits, so I got no votes.
Why not just correct the two missed credits and re-submit instead of removing the contribution?
The voters are simply letting you know about the errors. That's what they're supposed to do. I usually do, but when you spend a couple of hours fixing a existing older profile and then you get no votes from people who haven't posted a contribution in over a year or have never given me a yes vote. It tends to piss me off. How about they help out by fixing their own mess once in a while. Seems like their only purpose is to vote no. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Since no one HAS to contribute... and it seems the no vote is correct. I personally can't see getting mad over it. You say he always votes no. Is the no vote always accurate per the Rules or Ken & Gerri's statements? If so it seems like this person is doing the right thing. Whether they contribute or not isn't an issue at all, IMHO. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
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I just pulled a contribution down because of no votes. I fixed 32 incorrect existing credits, but missed 2 existing credits, so I got no votes.
Why not just correct the two missed credits and re-submit instead of removing the contribution?
The voters are simply letting you know about the errors. That's what they're supposed to do.
I usually do, but when you spend a couple of hours fixing a existing older profile and then you get no votes from people who haven't posted a contribution in over a year or have never given me a yes vote. It tends to piss me off. How about they help out by fixing their own mess once in a while. Seems like their only purpose is to vote no. Well said. Invelos is where common sense goes to die. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | If a user is following the Contribution Rules and his/her data is accurate, and the contribution replaces data which is inaccurate or violates these Contribution Rules, a "No" vote is considered an abuse of the voting privilege and should be avoided when possible.
You do not vote no on non-changes. Only the highlighted areas. And you think common sense is going to fix problems. They can't even vote per the rules. | | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
You do not vote no on non-changes. Only the highlighted areas. And you think common sense is going to fix problems. They can't even vote per the rules. There are some users who feel that, if youmake corrections in the cast and crew, you should correct the entire thing. If you don't agree with that point of view, just leave the contribution up and let the screeners decide. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
If a user is following the Contribution Rules and his/her data is accurate, and the contribution replaces data which is inaccurate or violates these Contribution Rules, a "No" vote is considered an abuse of the voting privilege and should be avoided when possible.
You do not vote no on non-changes. Only the highlighted areas. And you think common sense is going to fix problems. They can't even vote per the rules. If you don't wish to fix the other things then don't. Edit your notes to alert the screeners that you did not update that area. Your contribution should still be accepted despite the no votes. It would be nice if you would also edit your notes to alert others about the incorrect or missing data so that someone else can fix this once your contribution is released. No votes and comments do not show up once a contribution is accepted so, unless you put the information in your edited comments, others won't know what needs to fix it later. |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Quoting ateo357:
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If a user is following the Contribution Rules and his/her data is accurate, and the contribution replaces data which is inaccurate or violates these Contribution Rules, a "No" vote is considered an abuse of the voting privilege and should be avoided when possible.
You do not vote no on non-changes. Only the highlighted areas. And you think common sense is going to fix problems. They can't even vote per the rules.
If you don't wish to fix the other things then don't. Edit your notes to alert the screeners that you did not update that area. Your contribution should still be accepted despite the no votes.
It would be nice if you would also edit your notes to alert others about the incorrect or missing data so that someone else can fix this once your contribution is released.
No votes and comments do not show up once a contribution is accepted so, unless you put the information in your edited comments, others won't know what needs to fix it later. It's not that I don't wish to fix it. I just missed it. When you're trying to fix a IMDB cast and crew list it's alot of name variants, CLT, googling names you may miss something. FYI the yahoo that voted no is the orig. contributer of the IMDB info. |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I miss things all the time. It gets a bit embarrassing when I need to re-do things 2 or 3 times.  The reason I don't mind the no votes, irregardless of who submits them, is it alerts me to something. I double check a contribution if there are no votes to see what's up. I don't often check the comments on yes votes so I might miss something if the voter wrote "yes but you missed...". I know you have done a lot of work for the database - I vote on your contributions all the time - thank you. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
I don't often check the comments on yes votes so I might miss something if the voter wrote "yes but you missed...". I don't usually recheck profiles with all yes votes either so, if I miss something, I prefer to get a no vote as it's the only way I will know. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | The way that I determine if a crew credit is valid is to access the Contribution Rules.
Set it to the printable version.
Set browser Edit - Find.
Enter the credit role in the find box at the lower left.
If I don't get a hit it must not be valid.
Simple. huh? | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
Ineptocracy, You got to love it.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln | | | | Last edited: by Srehtims |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was able to do the first part but how do you set the browser to Edit - Find? Simple directions please - I'm computer illiterate. |
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