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Contribution System Glitch or User Error?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantTheDarkKnight
Registered: March 14, 2007
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I think this part of the rules clearly states what is allowed for contribution.

Contribute only the following items to the main database:

    "DVD Video, HD-DVD Video, and Blu-ray Video" discs (including MiniDVD): These discs contain movies, television shows, music performances and other professionally-produced and sold DVDs. No CDs, DVD-Audio discs, video games, Video CDs, or VHS titles will be accepted.
    “DVD Video”: These discs, included as bonus discs with CDs or video games are accepted, but only contribute the DVD Video information.
    Dual-Disc DVDs (which store both “DVD Video” and “DVD Audio” information): These can be contributed, but include “DVD Video” information only.

It would be nice if a Digital Copy Disc would be added to the list of not acceptable media but the word "only" excludes them in my opinion.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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Quoting T!M:
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Luckily, I don't do that. Instead, I follow the rules. Earlier in this thread, I have stated how I interpret those rules.

Unlike you, if the majority have a different interpretation than I do, I go with the majority and keep my interpretation to myself...meaning I won't contribute based on my interpretation.  I will still voice my opinion, should the subject come up again, but I always bow to the majority opinion when a rule is ambiguous.
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Yes, the rules say to add "discs", but for DVD Profiler purposes, "discs" are DVD's or Blu-rays and nothing else, as defined on page 2 of the contribution rules, no CD's, CD-ROMs, DVD-ROMs etc.

Actually, the rule says "No CDs, DVD-Audio discs, video games, Video CDs, or VHS titles will be accepted."  There is no mention of CD-ROMs or DVD-ROMs...which is a good thing for those people who have purchased films from the Warner Archive collection as those are produced on DVD-ROMs.
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Since those do not qualify as "Discs" for our purposes, that's why they don't get listed under "Discs".

That is your interpretation.  While the rules say we can't contribute those types of discs, they do not say that they aren't 'discs'.  In fact, unless I missed it somewhere, the term 'disc' isn't defined anywhere in the rules.  It seems as if you have created your own definition, which is fine for you, but you aren't the rules.
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So yeah, that's the rule I

No, that is your interpretation of the rule...not quite the same thing.
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- and, as you noted, the majority of users - are following.

I noted no such thing.
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It has nothing to do with "picking and choosing".

Actually, it does.  When the majority agree with your interpretation of a rule, you are quick to invoke them.  When they don't, you are just as quick to ignore them.  Sounds like 'picking and choosing' to me.
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Of course, I could proceed to make quips about what your misinterpretation of the rules means for your credibility, but I'd rather not sink to your level...

I made no quips about what your misinterpretation of the rules means to your credibility.  In fact, I never once said you misinterpreted the rules.  I simply stated that I didn't see it that way.  As I am not Ken, I would never presume to tell you that your interpretation is wrong.  I will tell you that I don't agree or that I think you are using personal preference, but I will never tell you that you are wrong as that is not my place nor, in my opinion, is it any users place.  The only person, again in my opinion, who can tell someone that they are wrong, is Ken.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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I think this part of the rules clearly states what is allowed for contribution.

Ah, but there is the rub, it isn't being contributed.  It is being added to the disc ID section of the profile...which, in my opinion, is exactly what the rule for that section tells us to do.
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There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
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Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Quoting 8ballMax:
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Don't you dare presume to know my mind . I assume nothing.

That is how I saw your 'challenge'...mainly because you used the 'Devilish' emoticon.
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The only "smoke" being blown around here is yours. Your "misinterpretation" of the rule infers that adding descriptions for Discs without Disc IDs for CD-ROMs, DVD-ROMS and any other media on Disc other than DVD or Blu-ray movies to the Disc section of a profile is perfectly acceptable.

That is my interpretation of the rules based on the words that are used in the sentence.  If you can show me that that interpretation is wrong, based on words not personal preference, I am happy to listen.  Better yet, get Ken to say that they aren't allowed.  If not, this discussion is pointless.
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What I did was simply lay down a challenge which you copped out of by blowing more smoke with your complaint about the contribution system as a whole and a slight to the screeners who work tirelessly to make this the best database possible. Certainly it has it's flaws but right now it's something I can live with.

It wasn't a complaint, it was a fact.  For whatever reason, data that is 100% against the rules gets 100% yes votes and gets accepted, while data that is 100% rule compliant gets 100% no votes and gets rejected.  I am sorry if you feel like that fact was a slight to the screeners, but I am not going to pretend that it doesn't happen.

And just so we are clear, I couldn't contribute a CD disc ID if I wanted to because, as I mentioned in my original answer to your 'challenge', I don't own any releases that include CDs.  If I did, I would be more than happy to comply.
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There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorgreyghost
Registered: March 13, 2007
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Actually, the rule says "No CDs, DVD-Audio discs, video games, Video CDs, or VHS titles will be accepted."  There is no mention of CD-ROMs or DVD-ROMs...which is a good thing for those people who have purchased films from the Warner Archive collection as those are produced on DVD-ROMs.

You've made this statement several times, but it is incorrect.  DVD Video deals with how the data on the disc is formatted. Whether the disc is pressed or "burnt" is of no consequence. A DVD recordable disc may be a DVD-ROM or DVD Video depending on how the data is formatted, the same is true of a manufactured or pressed disc.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Quoting greyghost:
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You've made this statement several times, but it is incorrect.  DVD Video deals with how the data on the disc is formatted. Whether the disc is pressed or "burnt" is of no consequence. A DVD recordable disc may be a DVD-ROM or DVD Video depending on how the data is formatted, the same is true of a manufactured or pressed disc.

If my use of the term is incorrect, then I apologize.  I seem to remember, as T!M does, that DVD-ROMs were once prohibited, and now no longer are, that the Warner Archive films, which are sold on DVD-r discs, were considered DVD-ROMs and that is why the restriction was lifted.  Again, if I misunderstood...as I am quite sure I heard them refered to as such somewhere...then I apologize.

Edit: I remember where I heard them refered to that way...in reviews for some Warner Archive releases.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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