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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | And what about Ken's stated position that we are not to remove uncredited cast unless they are undocumented and a match to a third party database? | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | In my honest opinion (and yes I am 100% serious) he would have to state cast that was never tagged as uncredited and is not in the credits are to be treated as uncredited... and not just errors of the credited list. I honestly feel for me consider them to be meant as uncredited... they would have to be marked that way... if not they are no more then cast errors. At least till Ken states differently. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Silence_of_Lambs: Quote:
Hal is correct, if there is the slightest chance that the data is correct we are not allowed to touch it.
Do I like this approach? No!
Can I change anything about it? No!
The effect: The online database is becoming less and less valuable for me. That about sums up my thoughts as well, and as I said earlier, it's a shame. Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Why is it that you are following me around from thread to thread... Me following you around? I posted in this thread before you did. --------------- |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
And what about Ken's stated position that we are not to remove uncredited cast unless they are undocumented and a match to a third party database? Ken's quote still stands, since this whole discussion is about cast that is not marked as uncredited. We all know, at least those of us who were around when the quote was made, that the quote was originally targeted at a discussion regarding profiles that had reams of uncredited cast in them. The point of course, is that these cast members were clearly marked as uncredited...there was just an incredible pile of them. Frequently they were obvious iMDB scrapings, but arguments were made and Ken swooped in with his clarifying quote. The original discussion was not about the type of cast brought up in this thread so trying to apply his quote to this situation is a stretch. Getting back to the original subject, I also have removed these types of cast. I will often put in my notes that the cast member does not appear in the credits. I also mention that somebody might at one time considered them uncredited, but I can't verify it and therefore can't justify ticking the box. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
... if not they are no more then cast errors. But...you don't know if they are cast errors. From what you've said, you simply remove them without even attempting to validate them. If you don't want to mark them as uncredited, why not just leave them alone. Every time I've ever checked on these, they have turned out to be valid uncredited cast. Sure would be nice if Invelos would take a position on something.... anything! But alas, that is sadly asking too much.  | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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... if not they are no more then cast errors.
But...you don't know if they are cast errors. From what you've said, you simply remove them without even attempting to validate them. If you don't want to mark them as uncredited, why not just leave them alone. I can't speak for Pete, though I suspect his answer would be the same...because that would give the impression that they are actual credited cast and were, in fact, verified against the screen credits. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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... if not they are no more then cast errors.
But...you don't know if they are cast errors. From what you've said, you simply remove them without even attempting to validate them. If you don't want to mark them as uncredited, why not just leave them alone. Every time I've ever checked on these, they have turned out to be valid uncredited cast.
Sure would be nice if Invelos would take a position on something....anything!
But alas, that is sadly asking too much. On the few occasions I have tried to check, the only corroboration I could find was iMDB which, I suspect, was the original source of the information. Maybe I didn't pursue it as doggedly as you or perhaps you just have better sources. At the end of the day, I will admit that I'm not about to go breaking my back tracking down this stuff just because somebody might have gotten it right a long time ago. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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... if not they are no more then cast errors.
But...you don't know if they are cast errors. From what you've said, you simply remove them without even attempting to validate them. If you don't want to mark them as uncredited, why not just leave them alone.
I can't speak for Pete, though I suspect his answer would be the same...because that would give the impression that they are actual credited cast and were, in fact, verified against the screen credits. Exactly... they are in there as credited cast if uncredited isn't checked... and there is no sign that (uncredited) was appended to the role at some time (from before the checkbox was added). So leaving them in there when I confirm the credited cast list would be an error on my part as it would be my saying the same thing. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Exactly... they are in there as credited cast if uncredited isn't checked... and there is no sign that (uncredited) was appended to the role at some time (from before the checkbox was added). So leaving them in there when I confirm the credited cast list would be an error on my part as it would be my saying the same thing. What I meant was not submitting the cast at all. If you are making other changes to the cast, then I understand your quandry. But if there are no other changes to cast, and you don't submit the cast as part of the change, then you are not saying anything about the cast. At any rate, I don't have anything else to add. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | For 99% of the time there is other cast updates. I can't think of a time I have done it with no other cast updates. But if there was no other... I still see it as an error as it is saying that said cast is credited. So that error would need to be fixed.
You automatically see it as uncredited cast that was never checked off (or apparently appended with uncredited)... some of us do not. Some of us see it as no more then an error in the credited cast list. Since this is something Ken (to my knowledge) never touched on (not in credits... not marked at all as uncredited) there is no current rule or clarification on how to handle such a case. | | | | Pete |
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