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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Once again, I'll ask you to stop stating your "impressions" of what I think or rewording it for me, rather than just reading what I've said and allowing others to do the same. As long as I follow the forum rules, and make no personal attacks, I will state whatever impressions I feel like, thank you very much. As for allowing other people to do the same, nothing I say will prevent them from doing so...and I haven't reworded a single thing you have written. As an aside, I have to wonder how you can tell scotthm that he "is interchanging the distributor of the film with Theatrical Release Studio" then tell me I can't state an impression. So you can state what he is doing but I can't state what I think you are thinking?  Quote:
The "theatrical release" of films has been changing in character for a long time. There was a time when nearly all films had clearly identifiable "theatrical release studios" associated with them. No, there wasn't. Films have always been released by a distribution company. While it is true that some of those companies were also studios, they were never 'theatrical release studios'. Quote:
It seems as though the Rules were written based on that older model. So, you can state your impressions but I can't?  Quote:
Things have changed, and even more rapidly of late. The program has not kept pace. I repeat that if you want a marketing/distribution company listed, then you should request a field for that. I disagree wholeheartedly, that the studio field is the appropriate place for that data. Studio has a specific meaning and that's what the Rules call for. You can disagree all you want but it won't change the fact that there has never been such a thing as a theatrical release studio. Quote:
Well, I just disagree with this statement. I think that there are thousands of films where this is a very simple task...and, in fact, a quick look at DVDP tells me lots of people have been doing it just fine for quite some time. I wonder how they managed to figure it out? Gee, I don't know, maybe they just enter the names listed in the credits....nah, that would make too much sense.  Quote:
And no, the distribution company is not what we call the theatrical release studio. It may be what you call it, but please don't presume to speak for everybody. Further proof that my 'impressions' are correct. From what I can tell, Profiler is after the company that released the film to theaters. I'm sorry, but that is the film distribution company. IMDb knows this (they don't have a list of 'Theatrical Release Studios'), Wikipedia knows this (A film distributor is a company or individual responsible for releasing films to the public either theatrically or for home viewing)...heck, it seems the only people who don't know this are some of the people in this forum. That being said, I am always happy to learn something new so, if you can find an industry reference to a 'theatrical release studio', I would love to see it...not that I'll be holding my breath.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Well, I just disagree with this statement.
At the risk of being monotonous...
Quoting hal9g:
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My opinion is irrelevant
--------------- I have to admit...that made me  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting The MadMartian: Quote:
Words have meaning However, from earlier in this thread: Quoting The MadMartian: Quote:
...people are getting hung up on the word 'studio' Apparently words only have meaning when they support your personal preferences. I fully admit that when I open up the profile edit screen of DVDP, and I see a field labeled "Studios", I come to the irrational conclusion that the intent of the field is to enter studio information. Call me crazy. If there really is no such thing as a "Theatrical Release Studio" then what you should really be doing is removing them all, not substituting marketing/distribution companies in their place. But that would not satisfy your desire to capture your personal preference...and apparently if it is your personal preference, it should be everybody's!  Apparently, like others, I am not quite intelligent enough to have a rational position on this issue: Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Seems you don't have a clue how the film industry works..... Therefore, I will leave it to the only expert we have on this topic. Kathy probably has the right idea!  | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
|   | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I fully admit that when I open up the profile edit screen of DVDP, and I see a field labeled "Studios", I come to the irrational conclusion that the intent of the field is to enter studio information. Call me crazy. But the rules for the Studio field are also talking about Production Company(s) and not about Production Studios... | | | | Cor |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting The MadMartian:
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Words have meaning
However, from earlier in this thread:
Quoting The MadMartian:
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...people are getting hung up on the word 'studio'
Apparently words only have meaning when they support your personal preferences. Nice attempt at trying to twist my words there. It might have been successful had I not already said that the people who wrote the rules created the term 'Theatrical Release Studio'. Yes, the word has meaning, but it isn't used, at least not in this context, by the film industry. As I said earlier, the rules committee used the wrong word. Quote:
If there really is no such thing as a "Theatrical Release Studio" then what you should really be doing is removing them all, not substituting marketing/distribution companies in their place. But that would not satisfy your desire to capture your personal preference...and apparently if it is your personal preference, it should be everybody's! I enter what is wanted...the company responsible for the realease of the film. I do, however, find it amusing that you mention having an intelligent and rational position...I have asked for you to provide something, other than the use of the word 'studio' in the rules, to back up your position, yet you choose to post this drivel. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Quoting The MadMartian:
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Words have meaning
However, from earlier in this thread:
Quoting The MadMartian:
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...people are getting hung up on the word 'studio'
Apparently words only have meaning when they support your personal preferences.
Nice attempt at trying to twist my words there. It might have been successful had I not already said that the people who wrote the rules created the term 'Theatrical Release Studio'. Yes, the word has meaning, but it isn't used, at least not in this context, by the film industry. As I said earlier, the rules committee used the wrong word. Except that, as has been pointed out on numerous occasions, this is DVDP and it does not rely solely on "industry" terminology. I don't think you are in any position to claim that the Rules committee "used the wrong word". Or, does that mean that if I decide that the Rules Committee used the "wrong word" when they said "Country of Origin" and I want it to be "Country where the lead actor/actress is from", that I can decide on my own to substitute my interpretation, just because I want to inject my personal preference? So, let's see exactly how difficult it is to figure out what the term "Theatrical Release Studio" might just mean. Well, we have the term "Studio". Hmmmm......I wonder if that means "Studio" or maybe it means something totally different....like marketing company....or maybe distribution company. No....actually, I think it just means "Studio". Then we have the term "Theatrical Release". Theatrical being an adjective in this case describing the type of "release" we're talking about. So it means the release of a film to the theaters. Since Invelos chose to stick the word "studio" on the end of the description of the field in the Rules, then the complete meaning of the phrase would be, for DVDP purposes, "a 'Studio' that was involved in the 'Theatrical Release' of a film". Now that wasn't too hard was it? Buena Vista Film Distribution Company absolutely does not meet that definition, no matter how much you personally want it to. Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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If there really is no such thing as a "Theatrical Release Studio" then what you should really be doing is removing them all, not substituting marketing/distribution companies in their place. But that would not satisfy your desire to capture your personal preference...and apparently if it is your personal preference, it should be everybody's!
I enter what is wanted...the company responsible for the realease of the film. I do, however, find it amusing that you mention having an intelligent and rational position...I have asked for you to provide something, other than the use of the word 'studio' in the rules, to back up your position, yet you choose to post this drivel. But there's the rub. The Rules do not ask for the "company responsible for the release of the film". They ask for the "Theatrical Release Studio". Please show me where the Rules say "the company responsible for the release of the film". I'll help you out here. It's not there. It is simply your interpretation of the Rules in such a way as to justify your personal preference. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Except that, as has been pointed out on numerous occasions, this is DVDP and it does not rely solely on "industry" terminology. True, but it does have to mean something that exists in the industry...otherwise it's just idiotic. Quote:
I don't think you are in any position to claim that the Rules committee "used the wrong word". Did I miss the part where you were given the authority to decide what other users can and can't claim? I can make whatever claim I wish. Whether or not anybody accepts that claim is up to them. In my opinion, the rules committee used the wrong word. Quote:
Or, does that mean that if I decide that the Rules Committee used the "wrong word" when they said "Country of Origin" and I want it to be "Country where the lead actor/actress is from", that I can decide on my own to substitute my interpretation, just because I want to inject my personal preference? Not the best analogy as production companies are based in countries. There is no such thing as a theatrical release studio. But, yea, you have been know to ignore the rules when they don't suit you...can you say OMB? Funny how you could decide what to enter even though there was no such credit. Quote:
So, let's see exactly how difficult it is to figure out what the term "Theatrical Release Studio" might just mean. I know what the term means, the problem is there is no such animal in the real world. There are production companies, some are major studios, some are not and distribution companies, some a division of a major studio, some not. To include the ones with a studio name, even though they had nothing to do with the making of the film, and exclude the other, when they both do the exact same job...marketing and distribution...is just idiotic. Either we track the company responsible for the theatrical release, or we don't. I happen to believe we do. Quote:
It is simply your interpretation of the Rules in such a way as to justify your personal preference. I don't remember stating a preference. Funny how, once again, you state what someone is doing even though you don't want them stating their impressions. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Do you think you could regurgitate that all one more time for us? I'm sure there is at least one person who still doesn't get your point. But it's still ignoring the fact that the two fields listed in the Rules are Theatrical Release Studio (whether you like the name or not) and Production Company. There is no allowance in the Rules for marketing company or distribution company, regardless of your repeated assertions that Theatrical Release Studio = Marketing/Release/Distribution Company. That is your opinion, and therefore, a personal preference. Don't let that prevent you from throwing in the red herring argument about OMB, however. A Skip maneuver, if I ever saw one! Feel free to ask Ken to add a marketing/distribution company field. I'd support that!  | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
But it's still ignoring the fact that the two fields listed in the Rules are Theatrical Release Studio (whether you like the name or not) and Production Company.
There is no allowance in the Rules for marketing company or distribution company, regardless of your repeated assertions that Theatrical Release Studio = Marketing/Release/Distribution Company. That is your opinion, and therefore, a personal preference. So a Production Studio isn't allowed either then, Production Companies only. | | | | Cor |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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But it's still ignoring the fact that the two fields listed in the Rules are Theatrical Release Studio (whether you like the name or not) and Production Company.
There is no allowance in the Rules for marketing company or distribution company, regardless of your repeated assertions that Theatrical Release Studio = Marketing/Release/Distribution Company. That is your opinion, and therefore, a personal preference.
So a Production Studio isn't allowed either then, Production Companies only. Wouldn't a studio be a company? The problem is a company is not necessarily a studio. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Do you think you could regurgitate that all one more time for us?
I'm sure there is at least one person who still doesn't get your point. Funny how you always complain about people doing things, then turn around and do what you just complained about. Quote:
But it's still ignoring the fact that the two fields listed in the Rules are Theatrical Release Studio (whether you like the name or not) and Production Company.
There is no allowance in the Rules for marketing company or distribution company, regardless of your repeated assertions that Theatrical Release Studio = Marketing/Release/Distribution Company. That is your opinion, and therefore, a personal preference.
Don't let that prevent you from throwing in the red herring argument about OMB, however. A Skip maneuver, if I ever saw one!
Feel free to ask Ken to add a marketing/distribution company field. I'd support that! Do you think you could regurgitate that all one more time for us? I'm sure there is at least one person who still doesn't get your point. :confused | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Do you think you could regurgitate that all one more time for us?
I'm sure there is at least one person who still doesn't get your point. :confused Now there's an original thought. Again, something that Skip used to do all the time! | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Do you think you could regurgitate that all one more time for us?
I'm sure there is at least one person who still doesn't get your point. :confused
Now there's an original thought. Again, something that Skip used to do all the time! It wasn't intended as an original thought, I am simply pointing out the hypocricy that is hal9g...you complain about my regurgitation, then regurgitate your own comments. As usual, you ignored that point. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Do you think you could regurgitate that all one more time for us?
I'm sure there is at least one person who still doesn't get your point. :confused
Now there's an original thought. Again, something that Skip used to do all the time!
It wasn't intended as an original thought, I am simply pointing out the hypocricy that is hal9g...you complain about my regurgitation, then regurgitate your own comments. As usual, you ignored that point. Yes, you are quite talented with the mocking comments and now you are devolving into name-calling! So sad. Despite what you may think, I rarely miss your "point", but I do often ignore them deliberately when they are "pointless"; which is quite often. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Yes, you are quite talented with the mocking comments and now you are devolving into name-calling! So sad. I didn't call you any names, I simply pointed out your attitude, which you have demonstrated quite well in this thread, are hypocritical. For it to be name calling, I would have had to say you were a hypocrite. As for mocking comments, perhaps you should take a good look at your own mocking posts...nah, you wouldn't want to do that as you would have to face up to your hypocricy. Quote:
Despite what you may think, I rarely miss your "point", but I do often ignore them deliberately when they are "pointless"; which is quite often. Isn't that what I said? Let me go back and check...yep, I clearly said, "As usual, you ignored that point." | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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