Quoting RHo:

Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:

Quote:
Quoting RHo:

Quote:
While I would believe that downloading music from illegal sources may be illegal in the USA even for personal use, I think that the 1.9 million USD fine has been spoken for uploading. Uploading is illegal even in my jurisdiction.

I never make a statement of fact unless I know it is fact...$1.9 million for downloading 24 songs.

Sorry, the cited article is misleading. The usage of the word downloading is wrong in this context. Jammie Thomas-Rasset has been sentenced for file sharing which includes uploading.
Otherwise statutory damages could not been claimed.

That's what they sued for, but that isn't what she did.  All she did was download the songs.  If you read the trial documents, she never actually shared the music with anybody...not that it really matters.  The point is, US companies have a habit of making examples of the little guy...mainly because the little guy doesn't have the money to fight back.  Because of that, I would not reccomend that anybody take that risk.

Just for clarification what my tools actually do:

Freestyle Cast/Crew Edit (FCCE) is a glorified Excel sheet. It has no online connection to IMDb or any other database. You can simply enter cast and crew data in an IMHO more comfortable way than in DVD Profiler itself. Then you copy the data over to DVDP and you're done. You can copy, paste and append other cast & crew data and move the rows around.

But everything's offline, safe & secure.


Cast/Crew Edit 2 (CCE2) does indeed do contact IMDb. It does that like any web browser like Internet Explorer or Firefox or Safari. IMDb delivers the webpage that a normal webbrowser then displays. CCE2 then takes this one webpage (no mass data, just one page) and takes it apart and puts the data into the cast and crew grid. From there you can copy it into DVDP or FCCE.
There's no secret backdoor hacking, no mass data scraping or anything. The program just asks like any web browser for that one movie webpage and IMDb answers "here you go".

Whether you use it or not is up to you.

Quoting T!M:

Quote:
Nobody's recommending anything. User tcremote asked for options, and that's what he got.

You jumped on me because I didn't reccomend that option, and I was simply explaining why I didn't reccomend it.

Quote:
Given that, I happen to think that everyone is mature enough to make their own decision.

If that is the case, then why did you take exception with my decision not to mention it?  You could have simply mentioned the option, on your own, without chastising me.  I won't speculate as to the reason, as I am quite sure we all know where that would go.

Quote:
And if Ken had massive problems with us even mentioning a tool like that, then he would have deleted the thread that announced it from the "Plugins" forum.

When did I ever say that Ken had massive problems with it?  What I said was I don't feel comfortable reccomending it.  Did the rules of the forum change when I wasn't looking and I now have to mention all options, even the ones I don't feel comfortable with? 

Quoting TheMadMartian:

Quote:
Actually, from what I was able to glean from the court documents, she was convicted because she left the files that she downloaded in her 'shared' folder and an agent of the music companies downloaded them.  She never actually ulpoaded anything.

Leaving files in the 'shared' folder is "making available".

Quote:
Actually, the reason there was a second trial is because 'making available' wasn't a valid argument.  The record companies prevailed, not because she made them available, but because one of their agents actually downloaded the files.  They never had to produce any evidence that anybody else actually downloaded them.

The other end of someone downloading data is uploading the same data. Here uploading is a little bit misleading. Serving would be the better expression. But it is exactly the same as serving data from your webspace only by a different protocol.

All of my statements here are not of legal but of technical nature. The legal nature has been decided by the court. IANAL.

Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:

Quote:
There a big difference between copying a movie and copying a cast list from a movie legally. The former is a creative endeavor. The latter isn't. See Feist Publications, Inc. v. Rural Telephone Service Co., Inc. IANAL, but I have taken classes given by the University of Iowa Law School on this topic. It's not uncommon to try to bluff a better legal position than you really have, which is what Amazon is doing.

In the end, it isn't a matter of what is or isn't legal.  Amazon has a ton of money and lawyers.  For them, it is irrelevant if they when or lose.  In the end they will still have a ton of money and a smaller company will be broke or close to it.  Is it right, no not at all. 

They abuse the court system to weaken an opponent, not necessarily to win a case.

Charlie

Quoting TheMadMartian:

Quote:
You jumped on me because I didn't reccomend that option

I most certainly did not. I only took a little bit of an issue with your flat-out statement that "there is no other way." There is, so that is a false statement. Had you not claimed that "there is no other way", I wouldn't have even posted in this thread, but if someone posts something that simply isn't true, I'll correct that. Play the victim all you want, we all know you're very good at that, but that's really all there is to it. There is another way. That other way may be an option that you're not comfortable with, which is perfectly fine and I'm certainly not asking of you that you recommend it - I didn't either; I just acknowledged it's existence - but if someone asks for options and you tell them that "there is no other way", then I will correct you.

Quoting surfeur51:

Quote:
This is your favorite argument, that you use against anybody who is not of your opinion.

It's not, no, and I only use it when it actually applies - as it did here. Sad to see that you still can't pass up the opportunity to have a shot at someone without even adding a single on-topic syllable, by the way. Again, no surprise there.

Quoting surfeur51:

Quote:
Quoting T!M:

Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:

Quote:
You jumped on me because I didn't reccomend that option

...Play the victim all you want, we all know you're very good at that...

This is your favorite argument, that you use against anybody who is not of your opinion. You may think what you want, explain why your ideas are good for you, and even critic others' ideas. But when you go to personal attacks, as you love to do, you go too far...

I won't... and ain't saying it is right or wrong in this situation. But what I will say...

T!M and I have had our share of disagreements... and can even say we said things we normally wouldn't in posts to each other... but your statement about him here is just not true. As I said... we had our share of disagreements... over several different issues... and Tim never claimed I was "playing the victim."

So no... he does not use it against anybody who is not of his opinion.