Quoting hal9g:

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Quoting Corne:

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A Season Descriptor refers to the content itself. Fan Collective refers to a collection of DVDs.

P.s. it would solve a lot of multiple title counts in the CLT when the season descriptor of TV series has to be put in the edition field 

A season descriptor describes the group of episodes in that box of DVDs in exactly the same way that Alternative Realities does.

If I were to do this in windoze, it would look like this:

Star Trek
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      |--------->Voyager
                      |
                      |---------->Season 1


and

Star Trek
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      |----------Fan Collective
                        |
                        |-----------------Alternative Realities

That's on another level. The season indicator refers to the feature itself and is being used for the title of the feature. The name Fan Collective is being used for a range of DVD releases, just like Walt Disney Treasures, The Horror Collection etc. Discussions like these just confirms the difficulty of entering TV Series into the database by the current rules and program. For a movie this discussion wouldn't even be there.

Luckily I don't get frustrated. Everyone has his/her right to agree/disagree. Just contribute according to how you interpret the rules and if someone disagrees solve this in pm and when that doesn't solve anything take it to the forums. In many cases there's a 50-50 stance so no solution 

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Actually, 'Fan Collective' is the name of this series of releases.  'Captain's Log' is the name of this particular set in the series.  Since the Proof of Purchase tab and the official website, not to mention every on-line retailer I have looked at, back up that opinion, I just can't understand why people are insisting that it isn't the case. 

This is what I am trying to get across too. And failing.

Quoting hal9g:

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Star Trek
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      |----------Fan Collective
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                        |-----------------Alternative Realities

I can see
Star Trek
Alternative Realites
Fan Collective
on the cover.
As Fan Collective is not a part of Alternative Realities i guess it's an Edition. 

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I am really beginning to understand the frustration of some users on this board, when we have to argue about things like this.

Then why argue, just lock your titles and get over it. There will never be a consensus for situations like this, nor will there ever be a rule for every possible situation that comes up.

I don't ask for a rule for every situation, and if we as profilers cannot come to a consensus about this small item, then we truly have no desire to come to a consensus.  we have 21 people one way 30 people the other way and neither side acknowledging the other.  (I am guilty). 

There has been evidence offered from 2 sources (one is the package itself) as to how this should be handled. 

We are now down to arguing about the word  Collective.

I have stated that Collective and Collection are 2 different things.  One is a noun, the other is an adjective.  We are trying to treat them as the same word when they are not.

Collective adj - marked by similarity among or with the members of a group (as applied here)

Collection noun - something collected; especially : an accumulation of objects gathered for study, comparison, or exhibition or as a hobby (syn - library)

This is a series release of episodes that are gathered together because of their similarity in topic.

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I have stated that Collective and Collection are 2 different things.  One is a noun, the other is an adjective.

Not necessarily. "Collective" can be a noun as well (as in the Borg speaking of "The Collective", to stay within Star Trek terms).

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Ok, perhaps the point I wanted to make, wasn't clear. 

It still isn't clear, at least to me.

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Quoting VirusPil:

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Ok, perhaps the point I wanted to make, wasn't clear. 

It still isn't clear, at least to me.

Ok, last try. 

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1) You see "The Fan Collective" as episode descriper of "Star Trek". And you see "Captain's Log" as episode descriper of "The Fan Collective".
-> Title would be: "Star Trek: The Fan Collective: Captain's Log"
Part of the rule:

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Episode descriptors are part of the title; separate them with a colon and space; e.g. "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". For multiple descriptors, use a colon and space for each break.

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2) You see "The Fan Collective" as a descriper for a special collection (in this case a collection of the most liked episodes of Star Trek with theme Caiptain's Log, for the other parts of this collection: theme "Q", ...).
(And you see "Captain's Log" as episode descriper of "Star Trek")
-> Title would be: "Star Trek: Captain's Log" with Edition: "The Fan Collective"
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The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition, Director's Cut).

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This explanation seems pretty clear to me. Needless to say that I'm in for option 2.