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"Use the title from the front cover"
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Wanting it to match the front cover was a big part of it... but so was the fact that many of us believed that the title on the front cover is the Actual title of the DVD release.... if different (at all) then what is on the screen. So it is only right to input the title of the DVD release in DVD Profiler.
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IMO, it's ridiculous to try to replicate graphical/marketing/design bling for text title.  Cover scan replicates bling better than any text can.  We should use the text title to make search and sorting as painless as possible.  Just the other day, I was searching for Alien 3 to add to the database.  Nothing would come up because the title was entered as Alien³.
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Nothing would come up because the title was entered as Alien³.


Aren't you glad that no one entered "Alien cubed"?
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IMO, it's ridiculous to try to replicate graphical/marketing/design bling for text title.  Cover scan replicates bling better than any text can.  We should use the text title to make search and sorting as painless as possible.  Just the other day, I was searching for Alien 3 to add to the database.  Nothing would come up because the title was entered as Alien³.


exactly - couldn't agree more. we have cover scans to replicate all the marketing garbage.

Lets use the text fields in the database to hold text information so that we can do text searches to find the text information held for that profile.

And for the record, my DB has the profile called "Seven" etc.
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The problem with trying to replicate the title exactly is where do you draw the line?


Black&WhiteNights ?


Lion King II: Simba's • Pride ?


Ms¤ 45 ?
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The problem with trying to replicate the title exactly is where do you draw the line?

You draw the line where the rules tell you to draw the line.

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Black&WhiteNights ?

From the rules: If the title is shown run together, but with coloring and/or symbols splitting the title words, use standard spacing.

That means, Black & White Night.  It also means, for the previous example, 'Two Way Stretch' as the title words were split by a symbol.

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Lion King II: Simba's • Pride ?
Ms¤ 45 ?

Both of these have 'symbols' in the title on the front of the case so, per the rules, we look to the credit block to "determine whether to exclude or convert the symbol to a standard character."

For the first, there is no symbol or standard character used in the credit block, so we have 'The Lion King II: Simba's Pride'.  For the second, the symbol is replaced by a period in the credit block, so we have 'Ms. 45'.
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Of Course the Martian is right.

And if I am not mistaken... this should also mean since you can't just type Alien³ on a standard keyboard it should be Alien 3 in the database.
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Is including the bling useful?  I don't think so, but including it, when possible, is what the rules tell us to do. 

No, the rules do not tell us to use the bling. At least for symbols (anything other than letters and digits) they tell us to check the credit block on the back of the case if included. If not, check the film credits or opening sequence.

And as you have stated afterwards the rules tell us how to deal with some spacing bling.

Then there may be some possessive bling where the rules tell us to consult the credit block.

And some bling is handled automatically by the contribution.

We have to completely ignore the quoting bling.

You see the rules explicitly tell us not to include most bling. And for the rest of the bling the rules are quiet. But they never say to include bling which may not be part of the actual title just because it's possible.
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Of Course the Martian is right.

And if I am not mistaken... this should also mean since you can't just type Alien³ on a standard keyboard it should be Alien 3 in the database.


Don't type that too loudly. On a german keyboard layout you can enter squared² and cubed³ simply by pressing ALT GR + 2 / 3.
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Of Course the Martian is right.

And if I am not mistaken... this should also mean since you can't just type Alien³ on a standard keyboard it should be Alien 3 in the database.


Funny thing though that the on screen title is with ³ so the original title is Alien³ 
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You draw the line where the rules tell you to draw the line.

Right! And that leaves us with some titles that contain bling because it can be replicated on a standard keyboard and some titles where we don't have bling.

If we can live with taking the title from the credit block for some titles, why can't we do it for all (that have a credit block)? It would certainly make for a more consistent approach.
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Of Course the Martian is right.

And if I am not mistaken... this should also mean since you can't just type Alien³ on a standard keyboard it should be Alien 3 in the database.


Don't type that too loudly. On a german keyboard layout you can enter squared² and cubed³ simply by pressing ALT GR + 2 / 3.


As you can many things by typing a code such as that... but that is not what Gerri meant with her statement about this... she said without going to the character map or using such key combos to type it.
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Of Course the Martian is right.

And if I am not mistaken... this should also mean since you can't just type Alien³ on a standard keyboard it should be Alien 3 in the database.


Funny thing though that the on screen title is with ³ so the original title is Alien³ 

What does the credit block say? I think it is reasonable to convert symbols in the graphical title from the opening credits into text the same way the rules tell us to do it for the title field.
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Is including the bling useful?  I don't think so, but including it, when possible, is what the rules tell us to do. 

No, the rules do not tell us to use the bling. At least for symbols (anything other than letters and digits) they tell us to check the credit block on the back of the case if included. If not, check the film credits or opening sequence.

And when those places include the bling, which does happen, we are to include it using a standard character...or am I missing something here? 
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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Of Course the Martian is right.

And if I am not mistaken... this should also mean since you can't just type Alien³ on a standard keyboard it should be Alien 3 in the database.


Funny thing though that the on screen title is with ³ so the original title is Alien³ 

What does the credit block say? I think it is reasonable to convert symbols in the graphical title from the opening credits into text the same way the rules tell us to do it for the title field.

The credit block, at least on my copy, reads ALIEN³.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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As you can many things by typing a code such as that... but that is not what Gerri meant with her statement about this... she said without going to the character map or using such key combos to type it.

Oh, without using such key combos (Alt Gr + anything) I can't type '|', '@', '#', '~', '[', ']', '{', '}', or '\' on my keyboard. But those are all part of the 7-bit ASCII code.
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