I did not make the initial contribution of the Cast/Roles, I only added missing/undated one. So, I thought it best to go back and see exactly how the names are listed relative to each role.

The UPC for this DVD is 012569500020.

This is the Cast list. I copied them the way they appear on screen. The separations are directly from the end credits. The breaks appear as a separate screen shot.

Starring
Keir Dullea

Starring
Gary Lockwood

Starring
William Sylvester
Daniel Richter

Featuring
Leonard Rossiter
Margaret Tyzack
Robert Beatty
Sean Sullivan
Douglas Rain

with
Frank Miller
Bill Weston
Edward Bishop
Glenn Beck
Alan Gifford
Ann Gillis
Edwina Carroll                     
Penny Brahms
Heather Downham
Mike Lovell

with
I am not going to write all the names but there are 20 actors listed in alphabetical order (John Ashley to Richard Wood)


Now, relative to the Roles and Group divider issue.

The first "group" that have the same roles (and please remember these roles are NOT in the credits) are Stewardess:

Edwina Carroll                     
Penny Brahms
Heather Downham

This part may be important to this discussion because the next actor in this same section is Mike Lovell. His role is Ape.

There is then a definitive break and the next section contains 20 actors. The first 19 have "Ape" listed as their role, the last actor Richard Wood has his role listed as "Ape that gets killed".

Quoting Kathy:

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I did not make the initial contribution of the Cast/Roles, I only added missing/undated one. So, I thought it best to go back and see exactly how the names are listed relative to each role.

The UPC for this DVD is 012569500020.

This is the Cast list. I copied them the way they appear on screen. The separations are directly from the end credits. The breaks appear as a separate screen shot.

Starring
Keir Dullea

Starring
Gary Lockwood

Starring
William Sylvester
Daniel Richter

Featuring
Leonard Rossiter
Margaret Tyzack
Robert Beatty
Sean Sullivan
Douglas Rain

with
Frank Miller
Bill Weston
Edward Bishop
Glenn Beck
Alan Gifford
Ann Gillis
Edwina Carroll                     
Penny Brahms
Heather Downham
Mike Lovell

with
I am not going to write all the names but there are 20 actors listed in alphabetical order (John Ashley to Richard Wood)


Now, relative to the Roles and Group divider issue.

The first "group" that have the same roles (and please remember these roles are NOT in the credits) are Stewardess:

Edwina Carroll                     
Penny Brahms
Heather Downham

This part may be important to this discussion because the next actor in this same section is Mike Lovell. His role is Ape.
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There is then a definitive break and the next section contains 20 actors. The first 19 have "Ape" listed as their role, the last actor Richard Wood has his role listed as "Ape that gets killed".[/b]

True but ther are many timsthat group actors have individual Roles within the Group and that is acceptable. Richard Wood is consistent with that

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that seems to provide the required information, whilst also showing a measure of respect to the way that the actual credits were done.

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This I don't understand.  How is adding a divider, one that doesn't exist in the credits, showing more respect than adding a role that doesn't exist in the credits? 

Say we have a group of 20 actors who played the same role, but were credited in name only.  I'd suggest grouping them under a divider, providing one reference to that role.  You'd suggest listing them individually, providing the role 20 times.  The former provides the bare minimum additional information, the latter just goes over-the-top

I suppose, if you want to look at it that way.  Me, I don't think it matters.  My only concern is what the rules allow.  We both seem to agree that the rules allow me to enter the role.  Where we seem to disagree is whether or not they allow for the addition of the divider.

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No,I would not. There is a indeed a logical grouping all of the Ape Actors appear on the last title card, it is titled With, I think you know that I would not favor a With Divider, though some might. They allplay same role and to me the crucial point is that use of the divider makes the data set unique to Profiler, instead of obviously copied from somewhere...that is an important distinction, Ill take every chance I can get to separate our data from someone else.

This statement is completely irrelevant.  I could care less, if it looks different than another dataset.  If I obtained the information from another source, or from the film credits itself, then there isn't a reason to alter what has been put in.

Other than this, I must agree with Martian.  It is one thing to fill in a role, that we assume to be correct.  It is still in the order of the cast list from the credits. 

There isn't a group credit within the credits, and I (in my opinion) would be against adding a group role that was not present in the credit list.

Charlie

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Charlie:

I appreciate your opinion, but my opinion is different and every bit as valid as yours. The ape actors all appear on a single title card (divider. There are no other actors on said title card.

It is not the opinion of yes or no to group dividers.

It is the statement of making it look different than something else (presumably for legal reasons) that I take issue with.  .

While I will contend that wholesale copying, should be not allowed, if I obtain my information directly from the film credits or from the official movie site or where ever, I should not have to alter my listing, just because it happens to look similar to another database.

We weed out (as much as possible) any we perceive as true copying of other databases, I don't think we need to go to the extreme of altering something, that is truly self evident.

That is the only fault with that statement that I was upset about.

Charlie

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If you can do it for a group that does not have the roles listed in the actual credits, who is to say I can't do it for a group that does have the roles listed in the actual credits?

I've already stated my view on that - I really can't get excited about it.

If actors are listed, but not allocated a role, but you can determine the role from another source, why would you want to list that role next to all the actors? The Film-Maker clearly didn't want to.

There must be some reason for doing it one way or the other.  My way would be to add minimal amount of detail to the credits: basically use a light touch.

Is the aim to try to stay as true as possible to the film material or is it to provide as much information as possible, even if that additional information is unecessary - unnecessary in the sense that the reader could derive the role from the divider, so it doesn't need to be repeated multiple times in the Role field.

Quoting Kathy:

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I did not make the initial contribution of the Cast/Roles, I only added missing/undated one. So, I thought it best to go back and see exactly how the names are listed relative to each role.

The UPC for this DVD is 012569500020.

This is the Cast list. I copied them the way they appear on screen. The separations are directly from the end credits. The breaks appear as a separate screen shot.

Starring
Keir Dullea

Starring
Gary Lockwood

Starring
William Sylvester
Daniel Richter

Featuring
Leonard Rossiter
Margaret Tyzack
Robert Beatty
Sean Sullivan
Douglas Rain

with
Frank Miller
Bill Weston
Edward Bishop
Glenn Beck
Alan Gifford
Ann Gillis
Edwina Carroll                     
Penny Brahms
Heather Downham
Mike Lovell

with
I am not going to write all the names but there are 20 actors listed in alphabetical order (John Ashley to Richard Wood)


Now, relative to the Roles and Group divider issue.

The first "group" that have the same roles (and please remember these roles are NOT in the credits) are Stewardess:

Edwina Carroll                     
Penny Brahms
Heather Downham

This part may be important to this discussion because the next actor in this same section is Mike Lovell. His role is Ape.

IMDb has Mike Lovell's role as Astronaut so this might not be accurate. Also, the fourth name in the list, Daniel Richter, also plays an Ape ("Moon-Watcher").