Welcome to the Invelos forums. Please read the forum rules before posting.

Read access to our public forums is open to everyone. To post messages, a free registration is required.

If you have an Invelos account, sign in to post.

    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2 3 4 5  Previous   Next
Trouble in Paradise
Author Message
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributornorthbloke
Registered: March 15, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United Kingdom Posts: 5,459
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting scotthm:
Quote:
As I said, no big deal.  I'll try to mind my own business in the future and keep quiet when I see bad data being contributed.

I don't understand this attitude. Even though I don't agree with your final conclusion, I'm glad you've brought it here as you're highlighting a clear flaw in the rules and one that should be addressed.
I also completely understand where you and RHo are coming from: you are both assuming because this situation isn't covered by the rules, then it isn't allowed - which is a perfectly valid assumption to make.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRHo
Registered: March 13, 2007
Posts: 2,759
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting northbloke:
Quote:
Quoting scotthm:
Quote:
As I said, no big deal.  I'll try to mind my own business in the future and keep quiet when I see bad data being contributed.

I don't understand this attitude. Even though I don't agree with your final conclusion, I'm glad you've brought it here as you're highlighting a clear flaw in the rules and one that should be addressed.
I also completely understand where you and RHo are coming from: you are both assuming because this situation isn't covered by the rules, then it isn't allowed - which is a perfectly valid assumption to make.

The situation is covered by the rules at least for the main profile. The rules explicitly state where to put the info of the bonus, namely the other features film.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributornorthbloke
Registered: March 15, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United Kingdom Posts: 5,459
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting RHo:
Quote:
The situation is covered by the rules at least for the main profile. The rules explicitly state where to put the info of the bonus, namely the other features film.

True, but you have to remember until recently the rules didn't even cover the situation of 2 films on a one-sided disc! I believe this is a similar oversight - the rules simply assume there is a child profile there.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorSanuye
Red Clouds at Sunset
Registered: March 13, 2007
Italy Posts: 90
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
isn't it possible to create a child profile for the bonus feature using the Disc-id?
Laura
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorscotthm
Registered: March 20, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
United States Posts: 2,850
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting northbloke:
Quote:
Quoting scotthm:
Quote:
As I said, no big deal.  I'll try to mind my own business in the future and keep quiet when I see bad data being contributed.

I don't understand this attitude.

Well, I don't want to be the instigator of contentous debate.  I quite honestly didn't expect much argument here since I believe the rule is quite clear myself.  If something is a "bonus feature" it cannot be profiled along with the main feature.  It must either be placed in a child profile or relegated to the "features" section.  I honestly don't see how people can conclude that using dividers is appropriate when the rule clearly states that these aren't double features and that, if anything, child profiles are to be used.

---------------
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRHo
Registered: March 13, 2007
Posts: 2,759
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Sanuye:
Quote:
isn't it possible to create a child profile for the bonus feature using the Disc-id?

Technically possible if the main feature has an UPC. Allowed by the rules? Maybe. The solution to this problem? Maybe, until a bonus feature film is seen on the same disc as the main feature without an UPC.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRHo
Registered: March 13, 2007
Posts: 2,759
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
BTW, 'Das fidele Gefängnis' has a running time of 48 minutes. Is this considered a feature film or a short film? While this is not relevant for the general discussion about bonus feature films on the same disc as the main feature, it may be relevant to the contribution mentioned in the original post. I do not hope that we want to add the cast of any short film added as a bonus to a disc, do we?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRHo
Registered: March 13, 2007
Posts: 2,759
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting northbloke:
Quote:
Quoting RHo:
Quote:
The situation is covered by the rules at least for the main profile. The rules explicitly state where to put the info of the bonus, namely the other features film.

True, but you have to remember until recently the rules didn't even cover the situation of 2 films on a one-sided disc! I believe this is a similar oversight - the rules simply assume there is a child profile there.

Do the rules cover two films on the same disc other than the remark for episode dividers? This remark does not say anything about which cast/crew from what episodes/films of a disc should be added. They simply state that if two films/episodes should be listed, that we should use episode dividers to separate them. But as a matter of fact we also do not list bonus episodes for TV series in cast/crew. Those are as well other features only.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
Profiling since Dec. 2000
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Netherlands Posts: 8,733
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting RHo:
Quote:
I do not hope that we want to add the cast of any short film added as a bonus to a disc, do we?

If I happen to like that short film, that's exactly what I do locally, using a divider to separate its cast and crew from that of the disc's main feature. Example: my local profile for the 1967 version of 'Casino RoyaIe' includes the cast and crew for the 1954 'Casino Royale' TV movie that's included on the disc. I do agree, however, that it has no place in the online database at this time.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
United States Posts: 21,610
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting RHo:
Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
Quote:
Quoting scotthm:
Quote:
As I said, no big deal.  I'll try to mind my own business in the future and keep quiet when I see bad data being contributed.

I don't understand this attitude. Even though I don't agree with your final conclusion, I'm glad you've brought it here as you're highlighting a clear flaw in the rules and one that should be addressed.
I also completely understand where you and RHo are coming from: you are both assuming because this situation isn't covered by the rules, then it isn't allowed - which is a perfectly valid assumption to make.

The situation is covered by the rules at least for the main profile. The rules explicitly state where to put the info of the bonus, namely the other features film.

Except it's not a bonus
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRHo
Registered: March 13, 2007
Posts: 2,759
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting T!M:
Quote:
Quoting RHo:
Quote:
I do not hope that we want to add the cast of any short film added as a bonus to a disc, do we?

If I happen to like that short film, that's exactly what I do locally, using a divider to separate its cast and crew from that of the disc's main feature. Example: my local profile for the 1967 version of 'Casino RoyaIe' includes the cast and crew for the 1954 'Casino Royale' TV movie that's included on the disc. I do agree, however, that it has no place in the online database at this time.

Yes, I'd like to see bonus features to be better described in profiles. For example I'd welcome to be able to list audio and subtitles also for bonus features no matter if they are featurettes, short films, or bonus films. But as you have stated, the current program does not allow that at this time.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRHo
Registered: March 13, 2007
Posts: 2,759
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote:
Except it's not a bonus

Sure it is. It is even labeled as bonus on the cover.
 Last edited: by RHo
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
United States Posts: 21,610
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting RHo:
Quote:
Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote:
Under your ummm no comment, you cannot create a Profile for Village of the damned/Children of the damned, which is just utter nonsense.

Sorry, the rules explicitely make a difference between a bonus feature film and a double feature:
Quote:
These are not the same as Double Features

It's a double feature inProfiler, even though the Distributor calls it a bonus.
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRHo
Registered: March 13, 2007
Posts: 2,759
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote:
It's a double feature inProfiler, even though the Distributor calls it a bonus.

How do you come to this conclusion?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
United States Posts: 21,610
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting scotthm:
Quote:
Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote:
It is not even per the definition really a Bonus Film it is ONLY twomovies on the same side of One Disc.

That's not quite correct.  A quick look at the front and back cover of the artwork should dispel that idea.

---------------

Scott:

It is a Bonus to the distributor, it is not a Bonus by Profiler standards,it is merely a double feature. It doesn't even qualify as a Boxset
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
United States Posts: 21,610
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting RHo:
Quote:
Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote:
It's a double feature inProfiler, even though the Distributor calls it a bonus.

How do you come to this conclusion?

Try DUH!. Rho, I know how much you like to bloviate,but tryst me,Profiler is not rocket science,it is EASY until someone such as your self wants to create or attempt to create a controversy and the resulting chaos.point is once again you are wrong. I am sorry,son but them's the facts,we cannot create twos separate Profiles with ONE DISC ID,in other words two film son pone side of a Disc, there is but one way this can be dealt with.  I don't believe Ken could even come up with a program solution without going back to square one and rebuilding the entire program. Now, for once stop trying to confuse everybody, just this once. It is very simple.
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2 3 4 5  Previous   Next