OK this has become a pointless discussion and the vote is 50/50 at the moment so what we really need is an official decision or change to the rules note

I see we've reached that point in the debate where, well... certainly the point where I'm going to take a break and actually watch a DVD for a change.

I'd really like to call out to Ken one more time by stressing that there's a wonderful, fool-proof solution at hand for all this. Sure, we've been having this debate for years, and I'll happily keep going, but maybe you could just end this right now? The only thing that needs to happen before allowing "recordists" is to change the "sound" credit note into "Only use the 'sound' credit when there's no production sound mixing credit" - which is actually what "Primarily used in older films was meant to achieve in the first place.

It's simple, fool-proof, works accross the board, and it doesn't lump together entirely different jobs under the same header (see the script editor vs. film editor example) - which, I suppose, could be shrugged off by people who don't really care much about sound credits anyway, but really is a slap in the face of those of us that do actually care about this data.

The answer is simple:
It is not in the credit chart, so it is not allowed per the rules. 

I recently tried to remove a "Re-recording Engineer" (not Sound Re-recording Engineer).

And got 8 no votes like "Re-recording Engineer is listed in the Crew chart..." or "Re-recording Engineer is acceptable in the crew chart"...

I withdrew, and instead added the 2 missing "Recordists" (not Sound Recordists).



What do you think? Who is right, who is wrong?

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What do you think?

I'm with RHo, obviously: those "recordists" should not be listed. Here again, both are minor studio technicians assisting the re-recording mixers. Additionally, this is not an "older film", which already tells you that it's highly unlikely that the "sound" credit should be used in it's profile at all. The profile for this film already has a full set of sound credits: production sound, sound editing and re-recording mixers - there's nothing left for "sound"; it's all covered already. That's what "Primarily used in older films" means: you use the credit when there's only one guy credited for sound-related stuff, not for modern-day films where the full palet of sound-related stuff is already catered for.

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Yes they are   

I'll see your    and I'll raise you another:     

And no, they're not allowed.

I'll raise that to
                                                                                                                                               
And yes, they are allowed.

Good to see you two are not taking it too serious!   
Both have a green from me for an outstanding fair discussion that could have easily turned out completely different.
Thanks, I enjoyed reading this thread and am waiting for Kens decision.

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What do you think?

I'm with RHo, obviously: those "recordists" should not be listed.

It's not obvious to me at all, and according to the poll result not for half the users. We have two Wes.

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Here again, both are minor studio technicians assisting the re-recording mixers. Additionally, this is not an "older film", which already tells you that it's highly unlikely that the "sound" credit should be used in it's profile at all. The profile for this film already has a full set of sound credits: production sound, sound editing and re-recording mixers - there's nothing left for "sound"; it's all covered already. That's what "Primarily used in older films" means: you use the credit when there's only one guy credited for sound-related stuff, not for modern-day films where the full palet of sound-related stuff is already catered for.

- Where is it stated, that we aren't after studio technicians? Is a "Digital Effect" crew member never a
  studio technician, or always a major one?
- How to define "minor"?
- Why is a recordist minor, but a re-recordist major?
- The rules only hint at the fact, that credits like Sound, Sound Recording [...] are primarily used
  in older films. They say nothing negative about their usage in a contribution.
- Even if they did, what would "primarily" mean? Or "older"? (Minority Report is already 8 years old!)