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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I still thin we wait for ken's input.
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I think I'll bump this post.  Maybe Get Ken's Attention...


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No Vote: Do not enter unit crew such as "Unit Photographer"
allowed credits are:
Direction: Director, Directed by excluded: Co-Director, Directors of Special Features
Production:
Producer: Producer, Produced by, A [name] Production (excluding company names) excluded: Co-Producers, Associate Producers, Production Supervisor
Executive Producer: Executive Producer excluded: Co-Executive Producer,
Associate Producer
...
Art: Visual Effects: Individual Credits: Visual/Digital/Special/Special Visual Effects, including Designer, Supervisor, and Director, Special Photographic Effects

Nowhere does it states: you're not allowed to enter allowed credits (list) from units

Post Production is mostly done by several units/companies
Visual Effects is mostly done by several units/companies

I find it very far fetched to draw this conclusion:
Unit Crew isn't allowed by the rules: "Do not enter unit crew such as 'Unit Photographer'" and using this to exclude location crew.
In this case The Hours (2008): movie partially shot in the USA (U.S. Unit: header in movie credits)
U.S. Unit:
Gary Alper: Production Sound Mixer
Judy Rhee: Art Director
Iris H. Lemos: Costume Designer
Ellen Mahlke: Costume Designer
Eva Polywka: Make-up Artist
Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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As the rules are written now location crew is allowed but location unit crew is not.
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I find it very far fetched to draw this conclusion:
Unit Crew isn't allowed by the rules: "Do not enter unit crew such as 'Unit Photographer'" and using this to exclude location crew.
In this case The Hours (2008): movie partially shot in the USA (U.S. Unit: header in movie credits)
U.S. Unit:
Gary Alper: Production Sound Mixer
Judy Rhee: Art Director
Iris H. Lemos: Costume Designer
Ellen Mahlke: Costume Designer
Eva Polywka: Make-up Artist


Well, that just shows how differently we can interpret the rules. To me this is clearly not allowed.

Until we get an official word on this, I would have to vote no to such contributions.
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As the rules are written now location crew is allowed but location unit crew is not.

can you show me where you can find this definition?

Do not enter unit crew such as 'Unit Photographer' it does not say:
Do not enter any unit crew such as 'Art Director'

unit photographer is an not allowed credit not in the list
Art Director is in the list.

If I follow your reasoning:
Sound:
Reinhard Stergar: Production Sound Mixer < allowed
these would not be allowed:
Danetracks <= company name other unit not allowed
Dane A. Davis: Sound Designer
Dane A. Davis: Supervising Sound Editor
Widget Post Production  <= company name other unit not allowed
Matthew Iadarola: Sound Re-Recording Mixer
Gary Gegan: Sound Re-Recording Mixer
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Hi . nice to see you back.

I think the way they're interpreting the rule is that any role that is connected with the word "unit" is not allowed. So any crew listed under a header that says "USA Unit" is not allowed.
Because "Danetracks" and "Widget Post Production" don't include the word "unit" they are allowed.

I personally think this is too literal a way of reading the rule, but I think that is where they're coming from. And without a rewording of that particular rule (defining what a unit crew is) I can't see a way round it.
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Do not enter unit crew such as 'Unit Photographer'

That doesn't mean for unit photographers only. It's just an example.
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"Unit Photographer" is not in the allowed role list!
this tells me to list crew members within each role available and list in exactly the same order credited:
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Group names of crew members together within each role available and list in exactly the same order credited. The table below gives each of the crew roles available within DVD Profiler. For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Role" and "Credited As" columns. If someone is not credited with one of these roles (or direct translations of these roles), do not include them in the Crew section.
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"Unit Photographer" is not in the allowed role list!
this tells me to list crew members within each role available and list in exactly the same order credited:
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Group names of crew members together within each role available and list in exactly the same order credited. The table below gives each of the crew roles available within DVD Profiler. For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Role" and "Credited As" columns. If someone is not credited with one of these roles (or direct translations of these roles), do not include them in the Crew section.


There have been al lot of changes in the rules lately. "Unit Photographer" and other Unit Roles aren't in the Incorrect Roles table any more. In stead there's a new rule under the crew table:

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Do not enter unit crew such as "Unit Photographer"


Maybe Ken could clear this by deciding whether location units are allowed or not?

Furthermore, in the example of The Hours there are main credits for the Art Directors, Production Sound Mixer, Costume Designers and Make-Up Artists. It isn't like in Babel that the main credits are divided into the locations.
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rather a bit hypocrite your wordplay Unit or another label Department: this is about location crew as you did enter these:
Australian Art Department
Catherine Mansill: Art Director
Charlie Revai: Art Director
Jules Cook: Art Director
U.S. Art Department
Mark W. Mansbridge [Mark Mansbridge]: Art Director
Australian Special Effects Department
Steve Courtley: Visual Effects
U.S. Special Effects
Clay Pinney: Visual Effects
Australian Art Department
Tina Gordon: Make-up Artist
Margaret Aston: Make-up Artist
Jason Baird: Make-up Effects
Rick Connelly: Make-up Effects
Charmaine Connelly: Make-up Effects
U.S. Makeup Department
Karen Bradley: Make-up Artist
Jenny-King Turko: Make-up Artist
Steven E. Anderson [Steven Anderson]: Make-up Artist

and don't be so condescending about reading the rules
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Even when we don't make the distinction whether the word Unit is being used. Because in that contribution of mine there are separate unit credits as well and I didn't add them. The contribution you are referring to is for The Matrix Reloaded, it would be nice of you to be complete in your message. Those credits are divided into two locations (US and Australia) like in Babel. There are no main art directors (only a supervising one preceding the art director credits), the special effects are solely separated for US and Australia. The make-up artists are only preceded by the department head and key.

Maybe I'm reading the rules too strict so that's why I asked Ken to clear this out. I don't think that it's hypocrisy to be critical.
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what would be so different with location crew in U.S. unit for a movie that was shot in UK and US and the location crew in Australia and US departments? same job descriptions other locations, just because of a difference in labels US Unit or U.S. Makeup Department one would get a credit the other not? You must be joking
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Giga:

No one is denying that this is problematic because of the way Ken wrote the rule. Only he can resolve this, for the moment i would suggest stay with what has been suggested by myself and others, if Unit is used then NO. This is my recommendation, not because i care or have a preference one way or the other, but because of the very vocal majority which has jumped up every time I have suggested more complete Crew data (open credits), yet this same majority is strangely silent on exactly the topic they have so villified.

Hopefull, Ken will resolve this. I can only say from my own viewpoint, going back to Rule development, it was the intent to not permit ANY unit crew.
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what would be so different with location crew in U.S. unit for a movie that was shot in UK and US and the location crew in Australia and US departments? same job descriptions other locations, just because of a difference in labels US Unit or U.S. Makeup Department one would get a credit the other not? You must be joking

I feel your pain.  What I would do in this case, is explain the situation...that the film was filmed in two different countries with two different crews...and let the screeners decide which way they want to go.  There is a difference between true unit crew, the crew that shoots less important footage, and location crew, the crew that works with the main actors on location.

It is unfortunate that some people have locked on the the label, 'unit', instead of the function.  I can't, however, fault them for it as I am a fairly literal person and can see where they are coming from.
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And you have the ability to decipher Unit and it's meaning, here you go again. I must need a new crystal ball, mine doesn't do that. Unit happens to be the only possible discriminator at this time, Ken would need to simply allow us to enter Unit Crew, something which you lack the power to do, Martian. And further as I said I don't care one way or the other. I am trying to give due deference to those who have so vociferously resisted the premise for Open Credits, and this is exactly the sort of minimalist crew that they should be upset about, as opposed to allowing Set Decorator, yet they remain mysteriously quiet.<shrugs>
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