Tomorrow would have been a year since I last regularly posted on these forums, but I had to post to say that I am absolutely disgusted, ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTED at Kathy's treatment in this thread.

To even associate such a generous, selfless person as Kathy with such hateful words which I won't even repeat is SHAMEFUL. You should be absolutely ASHAMED of yourself. And to do this when you don't even know if the change is wrong just adds insult to injury.

And without even an apology to turn round and accuse her of covering her tracks is just beyond belief. HAVE YOU NO SHAME, NO SEMBLENCE OF RESPECT?

These are Kathy's original notes:

"Cast and Crew copied from the same film in the invelos database UPC 085391831822. Documentation notes that this data came directly from the DVD credits."

SCUM doesn't come even close to what you are.




Apologies to the others for that.

As to the original problem. Kathy, the original profile contained Connick Jr. the cast list you copied over contained Connick, Jr. so a change would have been recorded. It seems obvious that you obviously mistook this for an automated change, a perfectly innocent mistake to make.
I would check which name appears in the credits and add a confirmation to your notes.

On my part I apologise to you for having such insults inflicted upon you, and commend you for your always-faultless behaviour. YOU ARE A STAR.

Quoting tweeter:

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The submitted credits are valid for the 2004 Special Edition release of The Iron Giant (including Harry Connick, Jr.)

Kathy, if you did actually verify the 2004 disc's credits against the older discs credits then it would be good to state that in your notes.  If you did not verify them then it would be prudent to do so, and then state that.

I don't think the filters are relevant to the discussion.

It is relevant when it changes the data and if it changes it incorrectly. Frankly based on what I see in that old data, is likely to be old "scraped" data, but the only way to know is to verify it in it's own right. Not against another Profile.

Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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I wnat accurate data not guesses

That's funny.  I seem to recall making a contribution one day and putting in my notes that data was from the film credits and you voted "No", because you just knew I was wrong.

Once I provided you with screenshots you backed down and admitted that your copy was in storage and that your recollection was faulty.  If you dont have this disc in hand then I don't think you should be having too much to say about this contribution.

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Quoting scotthm:

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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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I wnat accurate data not guesses

That's funny.  I seem to recall making a contribution one day and putting in my notes that data was from the film credits and you voted "No", because you just knew I was wrong.

Once I provided you with screenshots you backed down and admitted that your copy was in storage and that your recollection was faulty.  If you dont have this disc in hand then I don't think you should be having too much to say about this contribution.

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Scott:

I recognize that my data may have been corrupted somewhere along the way and I have no problem with what you did. I try to be very careful with accepting profiles but sometimes I trust where perhaps I shouldn't  and I was grateful when you posted the actual credits that i could see

Quoting ya_shin:

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On topic:
So the problem is the supposedly ill-advided filter by the databases owner? The fact that he streamlined all Jr./Sr. suffixes to look the same? It is pointed out that Kathy's change may be unintentional and the filter causes the problem. Doesn't that mean that no profile with suffixes can be contributed anymore because filters will muck it up?

It does not look like the filter was at issue here.

There might have been some misunderstanding about how the filters work.

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Quoting Kathy:

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When I make a contribution, Ken's filter often updates data as well. For example the way Jr. or Sr. is written.

When this occurs I document that invelos filter is propagating such and such data.

It is my understanding that it is correct to submit that data since Ken has implemented filters to do just that.

Is my understanding of this issue correct?

I'm going to skip over the absolute garbage that presented itself in this thread (and the way it was presented does indeed justify the use of the word garbage... there are better ways to present concerns to a community as whole other than anger and finger pointing...) and try to provide a helpful answer to the original question.

Kathy, it seems like this thread came about simply because of a misunderstanding about the filters, which is cool, no worries, that’s been solved, but the original question could still use an answer.

When contributing changes to a profile other than cast or crew, often times because of the Jr. and Sr. filter that Ken has (rightfully in my opinion) implemented, invelos will automatically prompt for a cast or crew submission as well to streamline the Jr. or Sr. name that appears in the cast or crew. This only occurs when the Jr. or Sr. name does not contain a comma between the last name and the Jr. or Sr. suffix. When this happens, I believe that the contributor should still absolutely check the cast of the profile to make sure the filter is submitting it correctly.

Every time the filter prompts the change, it changes the entry from this:

James Pickens Jr.

to this:

James Pickens, Jr. [James Pickens Jr.]

This may or may not be correct. The credit in question could actually just be James Pickens, Jr. in the first place, making the credited as feature that’s applied incorrect. If this is the case, because the filter streamlines all Jr. and Sr. names, the entry should simply be changed from James Pickens Jr. to James Pickens, Jr. without making use of the credited as feature. Of course, since Jr. and Sr. names are different from friggin’ episode to episode on television , the automatic filter could be correct, and the credited as feature should be put into use.

It’s why anytime invelos automatically propagates a change with Jr. and Sr. names, I personally check the data and see if the credited as feature is necessary.

Usually, to avoid any problems, in my contribution notes I’ll write something like:

Jr. name change automatically propagated by invelos to add the credited as feature to reflect a credit without the comma, I’ve personally checked the credits, and this is correct, the cast member appears without a comma in the credits.

Or:

Revising Jr. name to include comma after personally checking the credits, and the cast member does appear with a comma in the credit.

This will hopefully solve any problems you run into in the future with regards to the automatic filter.