I don't know how i feel about this, Martian and forget. I understand the logic you have applied, but at the same time typically photos are people who aren't recognizable or are actually in the film. There are exceptions to this which come to mind, in which the photograph, has relevance if you know the background, like Debra Winger in Evening Star, or suppose in some future Star Trek we saw a picture of Bill Shatner as a wink to the TOS or maybe De Kelley. So I am not sure, it's about context for me.

Well... Romy Schneider is credited as 'Woman in Photograph' in the film 8 Women (8 Femmes). So that's a credit.

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Actually, in the case of Lifeboat, it was really quite a clever little trick.  How do you make a cameo in a movie that is about 10 people adrift in a lifeboat?  Put him in the newspaper in a weight-loss ad!  Frankly, I think that kind of cleverness deserves to be documented...but I'll keep it local.

I agree with you, midnit and I would be more than happy to vote yes.

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Actually, in the case of Lifeboat, it was really quite a clever little trick.  How do you make a cameo in a movie that is about 10 people adrift in a lifeboat?  Put him in the newspaper in a weight-loss ad!  After all, nothing appeared on the screen that Hitchcock didn't want there, and he most definitely focused on the ad long enough for everyone to get the joke.  Frankly, I think that kind of cleverness deserves to be documented...but I'll keep it local.

Peter DeLuise did similar things in the Stargate episodes he directed and, I agree, it deserves to be documented.  I do not, however, feel that the cast list is the appropriate place.  JMHO

I get where you are coming from.  I think most film people generally give Hitchcock the cameo credit for this film because of his long history of cameos.  It's certainly unorthodox but that's part of the charm.  And while a cameo is most often an uncredited appearance, there is a subtle difference.  We however are not allowed to make such a difference so it's uncredited or nothing.

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Actually, in the case of Lifeboat, it was really quite a clever little trick.  How do you make a cameo in a movie that is about 10 people adrift in a lifeboat?  Put him in the newspaper in a weight-loss ad!  After all, nothing appeared on the screen that Hitchcock didn't want there, and he most definitely focused on the ad long enough for everyone to get the joke.  Frankly, I think that kind of cleverness deserves to be documented...but I'll keep it local.

Peter DeLuise did similar things in the Stargate episodes he directed and, I agree, it deserves to be documented.  I do not, however, feel that the cast list is the appropriate place.  JMHO

Seconded.

My first thought was (as you mentioned above) does that mean I can enter Charlie Manson as an uncredited appearance in Halloween 2, or Rob Lowe in The Lost Boys?

I think the difference is that Hitchcock purposely had the art department create the newspaper, layout the ad, pose for the particular picture, etc.  All so he could insert it into a movie that was impossible for him to appear in.  The point being, of course, that nothing's impossible in movies.  Not quite the same as some picture sitting on a coffee table.

Did Manson or Lowe specifically pose for those pictures so they could appear in the movies?  Of course not.

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I don't know how i feel about this, Martian and forget. I understand the logic you have applied, but at the same time typically photos are people who aren't recognizable or are actually in the film. There are exceptions to this which come to mind, in which the photograph, has relevance if you know the background, like Debra Winger in Evening Star, or suppose in some future Star Trek we saw a picture of Bill Shatner as a wink to the TOS or maybe De Kelley. So I am not sure, it's about context for me.

That would be interesting "trivia", but it would not deserve a cast credit, credited or not! 

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Actually, in the case of Lifeboat, it was really quite a clever little trick.  How do you make a cameo in a movie that is about 10 people adrift in a lifeboat?  Put him in the newspaper in a weight-loss ad!  After all, nothing appeared on the screen that Hitchcock didn't want there, and he most definitely focused on the ad long enough for everyone to get the joke.  Frankly, I think that kind of cleverness deserves to be documented...but I'll keep it local.

Peter DeLuise did similar things in the Stargate episodes he directed and, I agree, it deserves to be documented.  I do not, however, feel that the cast list is the appropriate place.  JMHO

Seconded.

My first thought was (as you mentioned above) does that mean I can enter Charlie Manson as an uncredited appearance in Halloween 2, or Rob Lowe in The Lost Boys?

I think the difference is that Hitchcock purposely had the art department create the newspaper, layout the ad, pose for the particular picture, etc.  All so he could insert it into a movie that was impossible for him to appear in.  The point being, of course, that nothing's impossible in movies.  Not quite the same as some picture sitting on a coffee table.

Did Manson or Lowe specifically pose for those pictures so they could appear in the movies?  Of course not.

True, but the point is if someone's picture is in a movie, they shouldn't get a credit just for that.

Here's a better example:

Frank Vincent's picture is in a movie (The movie escapes me, but I want to say Thief). Just his picture. The setup is he's the leader of a mob gang or something and the FBI agents are looking at a picture of him. Basically it's a throwaway. Maybe he's in a deleted scene, but he's not in the movie.

Should he get an uncredited credit?

I think the core issue here is that when someone specifically lends their likeness to a production, it's typically considered a cameo appearance.  We don't have the facility for tracking cameos so everything is simply uncredited.  Kind of the cast version of OMB.  Depending on your feelings regarding cameos will determine how you answer the question.

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I think the core issue here is that when someone specifically lends their likeness to a production, it's typically considered a cameo appearance.  We don't have the facility for tracking cameos so everything is simply uncredited.  Kind of the cast version of OMB.  Depending on your feelings regarding cameos will determine how you answer the question.

Well, I like to track cameos.  I did quite a bit of research to find all of Peter DeLuise's Stargare cameos, so that I could add them to my profiles.  While I took note of his non-physical ones...he had as an example, an ID badge, that was the focus of one shot, created for one episode...I didn't add them to the credits.