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Thunderball - Jack Whittingham
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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And i know all that, Martian, you forget how well i know film myself. But I deal with the Credited data, i don't go running around all over the place trying to justify turning it into something it isn't. That kind of thing you justifying  for your own justification and one that has absolutely NOTHING to do with what the actual data says.

I have a hard time believing that you knew all that.  If you had, you would have mentioned it when I provided the same exact information from the Wiki article.  Instead, you said, "I don't give a crap about Wiki, they are no better than IMDb. Want ot go find a better source?"  That tells me you had no idea.  If you did, why ask for a better source?  Now that I have provided what you asked for, because you can't really argue with it, you have changed your tune.

In addition, you are not dealing with what the actual data says because you want to give Whittingham a credit for writting the story as well as the screenplay.  I am sorry, but the data does not support that as they say Thunderball, the film, is based on what he wrote.

Anyway, I am done playing this stupid game.  @ Orici, you have your answer.  Both the credits, and the facts, support OMB.

No, because I didn't need to mention it, Martian, it bears no relevance to the credit. It is interesting knowledge but it has no bearing. I deal with the data and only the data, i don't go out and search for things or my own knowledge to create something that the data does NOT say.. As Orici points out we wind up with two of the same credit, which means NOTHING.
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Just seems strange to have 2 OMB credits for the same person, But thanks to all of you for your input.

You have to remember that OMB is a Profiler credit, not an actual film credit.  I believe, and I am sure James will correct me if I am wrong, his double film credit has to do with WGA rules.  Because he wrote the original story and the original script, he gets credit for both.

What I would do in my local, is credit him twice and enter the actual credit in the Custom Role field.  This would give me the context for the double credit...yet another reason the Custom Role field should be contributable.
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Just seems strange to have 2 OMB credits for the same person, But thanks to all of you for your input.

You have to remember that OMB is a Profiler credit, not an actual film credit.  I believe, and I am sure James will correct me if I am wrong, his double film credit has to do with WGA rules.  Because he wrote the original story and the original script, he gets credit for both.

What I would do in my local, is credit him twice and enter the actual credit in the Custom Role field.  This would give me the context for the double credit...yet another reason the Custom Role field should be contributable.


And an excellent argument for Open credits.

And i have done exactly what you described, under Story By and Screenplay By

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Both OMB, but I don't know if I would list the same person double. (For me one would be enough)

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No, because I didn't need to mention it, Martian, it bears no relevance to the credit. It is interesting knowledge but it has no bearing.

If it bears no relevance, why ask for a better source?  Sorry, but that dog won't hunt.

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I deal with the data and only the data, i don't go out and search for things or my own knowledge to create something that the data does NOT say..

Except you aren't dealing with the data.  The data says that the film was based on something he wrote, yet you are advocating entering him as acually doing the writting.  How, exactly is that not creating something that the data does not say? 

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As Orici points out we wind up with two of the same credit, which means NOTHING.

And what, exactly, does giving him credit, for something he didn't do, mean?  He didn't write the Story, nor did he write the Screenplay, yet you want to give him credit for doing both.  How is that, in any way shape or form, accurate?
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Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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Both OMB, but I don't know if I would list the same person double. (For me one would be enough)

Edit: 1.000 post. 

Even WORSE
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No, because I didn't need to mention it, Martian, it bears no relevance to the credit. It is interesting knowledge but it has no bearing.

If it bears no relevance, why ask for a better source?  Sorry, but that dog won't hunt.

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I deal with the data and only the data, i don't go out and search for things or my own knowledge to create something that the data does NOT say..

Except you aren't dealing with the data.  The data says that the film was based on something he wrote, yet you are advocating entering him as acually doing the writting.  How, exactly is that not creating something that the data does not say? 

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As Orici points out we wind up with two of the same credit, which means NOTHING.

And what, exactly, does giving him credit, for something he didn't do, mean?  He didn't write the Story, nor did he write the Screenplay, yet you want to give him credit for doing both.  How is that, in any way shape or form, accurate?

As UI have explained a thousand times, Martian, I deal with the data that I see On Screen. Is that hard to understand. Now why should this Story and Screenplay by. Because it is what it is and since we don't have the ability to Contribute Custom Roles and there are users who simply will not include the Actual data in their notes because Ken doesn't require it and they care nothing about clear Communication with their fellow users; we wind up with a funny looking duplicate credit that explains nothing. At least by using the appropriate Story By and Screenplay we can capture the "spirit" of what the On screen data really is.

But I am glad to see that you are grasping the need for some form of Open Credits.

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Both OMB, but I don't know if I would list the same person double. (For me one would be enough)

I would, indeed, list him twice.  I would also mention, in my notes, that I entered him twice because he was credited as "Based on an original screenplay by" and "Based on the original story by."

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Edit: 1.000 post. 

'grats.  You do realize that, now that you have broken the thousand post mark, you can never go back to your normal life.  You are now, and forever more, a Zombiephile...well, at least until Ken changes his Avatar again.  I really did prefer being a 'Sixaholic'. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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Both OMB, but I don't know if I would list the same person double. (For me one would be enough)

I would, indeed, list him twice.  I would also mention, in my notes, that I entered him twice because he was credited as "Based on an original screenplay by" and "Based on the original story by."

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Edit: 1.000 post. 

'grats.  You do realize that, now that you have broken the thousand post mark, you can never go back to your normal life.  You are now, and forever more, a Zombiephile...well, at least until Ken changes his Avatar again.  I really did prefer being a 'Sixaholic'. 


And kudos to you for doing so, But you know full well that you and i are not the apparent norm. BTW, I would not vote no to such an entry from you because I understand your logic, and i would assume that were I to enter (not change your existing), you would understand that logic and not vote No as well, because both arguments have merit. I think even with the notes Story by and Screenplay By is a better answer to avoid a duplicate credit, even if it has an explanation.
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As UI have explained a thousand times, Martian, I deal with the data that I see On Screen. Is that hard to understand. Now why should this Story and Screenplay by. Because it is what it is and since we don't have the ability to Contribute Custom Roles and there are users who simply will not include the Actual data in their notes because Ken doesn't require it and they care nothing about clear Communication with their fellow users; we wind up with a funny looking duplicate credit that explains nothing. At least by using the appropriate Story By and Screenplay we can capture the "spirit" of what the On screen data really is.


I don't see a 'Story by' or a 'Screenplay by' credit.  I see a "Based on an original screenplay by" and a "Based on the original story by" credit.  I am sorry, but I refuse to ignore the 'Based on' portion of the credit.  In addition, you are not capturing the 'spirit' of what the on screen data really is, you are ignoring it.  Why?  Because you are giving somebody credit for something they didn't do.  Indeed, we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

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But I am glad to see that you are grasping the need for some form of Open Credits.

Clearly, and I don't really know why, you have not understood a single word I have ever written.  We have 'some form of Open Credits' already.  They are called 'Custom Roles'.  What we need, and have wanted for quite a while now, is the ability to contribute that field.

Anyway, the answer has been given, so I am done with this conversation.
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Both OMB, but I don't know if I would list the same person double. (For me one would be enough)

I would, indeed, list him twice.  I would also mention, in my notes, that I entered him twice because he was credited as "Based on an original screenplay by" and "Based on the original story by."

Understand your opinion, but for me one credit per built-in role would be enough.
If we sould have the possibility to contribute some kind of "actual credit" of course I would also like to have both.
My opinion to this is: A kind of "credited as" for the role would be really great. So we could track the same as now, but with actual role.
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Edit: 1.000 post. 

'grats.  You do realize that, now that you have broken the thousand post mark, you can never go back to your normal life.  You are now, and forever more, a Zombiephile...well, at least until Ken changes his Avatar again.  I really did prefer being a 'Sixaholic'. 

... And my wife hates me for this. 
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Understand your opinion, but for me one credit per built-in role would be enough.
If we sould have the possibility to contribute some kind of "actual credit" of course I would also like to have both.
My opinion to this is: A kind of "credited as" for the role would be really great. So we could track the same as now, but with actual role.

We actually have that, which is great, it just isn't contributable, which is unfortunate.
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Story by and Screenplay by would be a Story by- and a Screenwriter-credit. This does make no sense imho. 

Just based on the credit: This person did not write the Story or the Screenplay of this movie Thunderball. It seems more that Thunderball is based on another movie, let's say Thunderball: The older version. And Jack Wittingham wrote the story and screenplay of Thunderball: The older version. So he made the original material of Thunderball.

This would be the credits how we track them:

Thunderball: The older version
Story by Jack Wittingham
Screenplay by Jack Wittingham

Thunderball (The op question)
Original Material by Jack Wittingham*

*once or twice.
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Understand your opinion, but for me one credit per built-in role would be enough.
If we sould have the possibility to contribute some kind of "actual credit" of course I would also like to have both.
My opinion to this is: A kind of "credited as" for the role would be really great. So we could track the same as now, but with actual role.

We actually have that, which is great, it just isn't contributable, which is unfortunate.


Hmm, didn't work for me. 

Perhaps I explained wrong.    So I'll try again.
I think this would be great in DVDP:
John Carpenter [John "The Godfather of Horror" Carpenter] - Writer [Written by]

So we would have the same crew roles, but we could track how this role is credited.
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Hmm, didn't work for me. 

Perhaps I explained wrong.    So I'll try again.
I think this would be great in DVDP:
John Carpenter [John "The Godfather of Horror" Carpenter] - Writer [Written by]

So we would have the same crew roles, but we could track how this role is credited.


I could get behind this as long as it is limited to the roles that we currently track in DVDP.

Whittingham would still be credited with OMB (twice).

I would not support being able to contribute "Other" roles.
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That's also my thought hal.

For me the credits we track are enough, but in this way we could check easier if it's added right and we would see in cases like this (OMB) how the credit looks.
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