This coming from a completely neutral point of view sense it don't effect me one way or the other since my collection is primarily movies from the US.... So it really don't bother me how it is done one way or the other... but....

The last I seen Ken mention it... he specifically said that there was no decision on Asian names at the time.

I wouldn't let the fact that they been being approved make you think it is officially the way Invelos decided to go. It just means it is no more right... or no more wrong then any other way since Invelos (to my knowledge) hasn't made a decision at this point.

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I wouldn't let the fact that they been being approved make you think it is officially the way Invelos decided to go. It just means it is no more right... or no more wrong then any other way since Invelos (to my knowledge) hasn't made a decision at this point.

I agree. I do have to say, though, that I find it extremely strange that Invelos still hasn't made a decision on this, and even publicly announced as much. "How to enter Asian names" is not exactly a trivial detail - and in the meantime it's basically "anything goes", and different people keep are handling similar credits in entirely different manners. Not to mention that it keeps leading to the same heated debates over and over again. But the main thing is that the sooner we get some kind of guidance, the less incorrect and conflicting data will get in the database. That seems like a good reason to address this right now...

I couldn't agree more... And it's basically for that reason that I haven't touched cast/crew of my ~220 Asian DVDs for the time being.

It has been requested... but Ken didn't want to go back to one field for name.

He did however make it in ver. 3.6 that parsing is ignored so linking isn't a problem within your program. I don't know if he has done it yet... but he also said something about being able to make contributions ignore parsing as well... but you could over-ride it by checking a box if you can document the correct parsing of a name. Kind of like checking a box to include uncredited if you can document it.

From the Release Notes for Version 3.6 (current version)...

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Downloaded cast and crew will now match on full name if no direct name match found (ignoring name parsing)

I don't believe it would work with swapped names... as it wouldn't match. It just means it wouldn't matter if it was...

John Andrew Doe / /
John /Andrew Doe /
John /Andrew/Doe
John/ /Andrew Doe

Ok,

many things to reply to

First of all I would HONESTLY LOVE it if we would have one field for a name, this would end up so many heated debates and arguments.

I overread that it no longer makes a difference how a name is parsed in the release notes of 3.6
Many thx for pointing that out, Pete.

My question is then, why do we even debate this here then ? 
Everyone can do the parsing as he wants then, if it leads to the same result, or am i wrong here ?

Pete,
if every contribution which dealt with chinese correcting of name parsing that was made within the last year (at least all the ones I know of, and that were hundreds and hundreds), got approved by the Screeners, I would see a direction there.
Why would the screeners approve all those contributions , if they do not agree with them ? And again we are not talking about 5-10 contributions, we are talking about hundreds here 

xradmen,

I cannot say why it doesn't come up in your wildest imagination, to parse the actors like synner-man, me and some others do. for us it seems to be the most logical way to do it.
Also if you look at Hong Kong Movie Database, which is run by chinese people, they do it the same way.

Where is the issue with Chow Yun-fat, i see no middle name there ?

cheers
Donnie

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Pete,
if every contribution which dealt with chinese correcting of name parsing that was made within the last year (at least all the ones I know of, and that were hundreds and hundreds), got approved by the Screeners, I would see a direction there.
Why would the screeners approve all those contributions , if they do not agree with them ? And again we are not talking about 5-10 contributions, we are talking about hundreds here 

I didn't say they did or didn't agree... I said per rules it is neither right nor wrong. Since Ken hasn't publicly (that I seen) decided how to do it. So I would ask you... if the screeners got no direction from the rules or from Ken & Gerri why wouldn't they approve it? But at the same time why wouldn't they approve any other way... after all they got no direction on any certain way it should be. So if the contributor submits it a certain way... and the majority voters seems to either like it or not care one way or the other.. why would they decline it... so of course they were getting approved.  But that does not automatically make it Invelos's decision on how to handle Asian names. Especially when we have on record Ken saying that there has been no decision for Asian names yet.

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Pete,
if every contribution which dealt with chinese correcting of name parsing that was made within the last year (at least all the ones I know of, and that were hundreds and hundreds), got approved by the Screeners, I would see a direction there.
Why would the screeners approve all those contributions , if they do not agree with them ? And again we are not talking about 5-10 contributions, we are talking about hundreds here 

I didn't say they did or didn't agree... I said per rules it is neither right nor wrong. Since Ken hasn't publicly (that I seen) decided how to do it. So I would ask you... if the screeners got no direction from the rules or from Ken & Gerri why wouldn't they approve it? But at the same time why wouldn't they approve any other way... after all they got no direction on any certain way it should be. So if the contributor submits it a certain way... and the majority voters seems to either like it or not care one way or the other.. why would they decline it... so of course they were getting approved.  But that does not automatically make it Invelos's decision on how to handle Asian names. Especially when we have on record Ken saying that there has been no decision for Asian names yet.

My recollection of that thread was that Ken agreed that his intention for the last name field was to be used for family name.  Synner man then stepped in and said that that would be too much work and he would stop all contribution if that were to be included in the rules.  Ken then posted that current parsing rule was not to be applied for Asian names yet.  That is the last I know of for anything official regarding Asian names.  I will try to find the exact quotes.

Found it.  It was in the David Ogden Stires thread.  Start around page 9 and read forward.

Ken's Statement on Parsing Asian Names

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Surname is the intent.  If that will result in less confusion, it's an easy change for the next release.  The CLT does not parse names since it doesn't use the name field, only the display name.  So, in the case of an entry with Credited As, it uses that.  Without a Credited As entry it uses the full display name.

Note that the issue of Asian name parsing remains open.