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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,732 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting schaumi: Quote:
Then, if You are not willing to go further to gain proper data, or if You are not able to spent time for research, simply leave it out if not sure. No one forces You to submit data You are not sure about. Better no data than wrong data. And if someone has submitted false data, and You know better, change it. And that's, after all, one good reason for this forum here: To get access to proper background information.  | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Quoting T!M:
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Indeed, and yes, some profiles do need to have the "recordists" removed. It's not something we track in DVD Profiler. This film, for example, has all the sound crew we're after. Production sound mixing, sound editing, and re-recording mixers - all already catered for. Also see railroaded's comment.
Who says we don't track these in Profiler? I have done films where this is the only sound credit. Are you really suggesting that they should be removed? 
No, of course not: that's one of the rare ocassions that it SHOULD be entered. One has to wonder if you bother to read what you write. Here you say that a credit of 'recordist' should be entered, if it is the only credit, yet, in the very next paragraph, you say that "recordist" isn't listed as a valid role in the crew credits table." Well, which is it? Is it a valid credit or isn't it?  Quote:
For this particular case, it's also important to keep in mind that "recordist" isn't listed as a valid role in the crew credits table. "Sound recordist" is, but that really is an entirely different credit. So it's not just that these "recordists" aren't the people we're after, but they're simply not allowed to be entered per the rules. Please stop acting as if you speak for all of us. While these may not be the people you are after, you have no idea what 'we' are after. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,732 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Well, which is it? I'm just telling you what we SHOULD do. Your mileage may (and will!) vary, of course. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
This is the 3rd time somebody has suggested that I should not use the program I paid for the way the rules are written. It is beyond me. Did he pay more than me? I don't think that schaumi has meant you to stop entering sound crew at all. If you see some credit saying "sound recordist", you are of course entitled to add it as "sound". But I would never change an existing credit from "production sound mixer" to "sound", if the original credit is "recordist" and it is well documented (in the contribution notes) that we have a UK translation of the US "production sound mixer" in this particular case. I would be happy to accept this knowledge and would not oppose just because not everybody can correct this without background knowledge. The same would be true for other parts of contribution like for example name parsing. In general I try my best myself. But if somebody else documents the correct data, I'm happy to improve my database with other user's knowledge. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Maybe I am seeing more in it then there is... but that is not how I personally read his post. What I got from it is there is crew roles that is acceptable in the crew chart in the rules. But they are saying that we should sometimes use these allowable crew credits... and sometimes we shouldn't. See below... Quoting schaumi: Quote:
In case of the sound crew credits the Profiler rules contain some - long and well known - mistakes or let's say: insufficiencies. We all know that. We discussed it often. As long as a Sound Recordist is not proper defined (and he isn't), there is the possibility of submitting the wrong guy. After all: As long as sound effects editors or dialogue editors do not count as sound editors (which is really a staircase wit), as long as there is a quarrel about dubbing mixers who are not accepted as re-recording mixers, a simple technician should not be entered at all. Otherwise You have to submit the guy who takes care of the computers in the cutting room, or the projectionist or the focus puller etc. etc. Sound recordist is in the Credited as column to use in profiles in the rules... but the way I am reading this they are saying that sometimes we should add them and sometimes not. I never seen Ken or Gerri say to ignore these roles in certain situations. And I see nothing in the rules that says we should ignore these roles in certain situations. But they are saying it isn't what "we" are after. It may not be what they are after... but I see nothing to show it isn't what Invelos is after. So I for one will add them if they are listed with that role. And would vote no to anyone I see removing them from a profile. At least until Ken or Geri says otherwise. I know that for me at least... if I need to go further into it then the crew chart in the rules... I will go back to not doing the crew at all. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,732 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Sound recordist is in the Credited as column to use in profiles in the rules It is (with the "primarily used in older films" note, I might add, which, while not exclusive, does really tell us something). Just "recordist", however, is not - and for good reason, as it refers to an entirely different group of crew members (which we don't track). So this particular problem is solved - these "recordists" can not be entered, not just because they shouldn't be entered, but simply because the rules don't allow it. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I for one never added just "recordist" for this very reason... even if it is the only sound credit in the credits. In those cases there is just no sound credits we track for that particular profile. and I for one don't have a problem with that. | | | | Pete |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,732 |
| | Posted: | | | | So indeed this particular credit doesn't pose a problem. Not to worry - I'm sure there are plenty of problematic ones left...  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Maybe it is just me... but it seems to me if you go strictly by the crew chart (other then direct translations of course)... and not try to "fit in" roles that you believe is right or that you think should be tracked then there wouldn't be any problematic ones. But hey... like I said... that is me. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: December 16, 2007 | | Posts: 926 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Maybe it is just me... but it seems to me if you go strictly by the crew chart (other then direct translations of course)... and not try to "fit in" roles that you believe is right or that you think should be tracked then there wouldn't be any problematic ones. But hey... like I said... that is me. No, no, it's not only you, it's me too. When in doubt...Surprising in this thread was the strange behaviour of the former Skipnet who used to be rigid where rules were concerned. Seems he doesn't give a damn anymore. |
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