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| Registered: October 6, 2008 |  Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
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But Wing Commander is not his given name. He chooses to be identified by his rank and last name. The most logical way to handle it is as a stage name.
The alternative is to credit him as (last name) Gibson [Wing Commander Gibson], which Hal already pointed out cannot be done. This also leaves us with one name, which the rules tell us to use as a stage name. But what sense does a stage name of Gibson make since that's not what he's called?
An honorific is never a given name (the only exception I can think of is a royal title, but is that really given? I mean when a baby princess/prince is born will s/he be registered with the title?). Queen Latifah is a stage name, because Queen isn't an official honorific in her case. She's isn't crowned or something like that 
Besides I have two degree titles as well. In some cases I choose to include them, sometimes I don't. But when I do I don't use it as a stage name. But if you used, for example, "Professor Corne" that would be exactly like a stage name. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You are wrong. What the Rules did not anticipate was someone trying to create a non-existent controversy.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
But if you used, for example, "Professor Corne" that would be exactly like a stage name. Not if he were actually a Professor! | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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But if you used, for example, "Professor Corne" that would be exactly like a stage name.
Not if were actually a Professor! Yes, because Professor is not his name. (At least I don't think so, not knowing Corne personally.) |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
You are wrong. What the Rules did not anticipate was someone trying to create a non-existent controversy.
Skip If you are speaking to me ( I can't tell since you didn't quote anyone), please explain why I am wrong that the Rule says to only enter the "honorific" in the "Credited As" field. If you are not speaking to me.....nevermind. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
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But if you used, for example, "Professor Corne" that would be exactly like a stage name.
Not if were actually a Professor!
Yes, because Professor is not his name. (At least I don't think so, not knowing Corne personally.) If he is actually a "Professor" then "Professor is an "honorific"; therefore "Professor Corne" is not a stage name. Clearly, we would need to know if he is a "Professor" or not in order to know how to enter him in DVDP. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
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I would enter it like a stage name.
Well, that's a different take on it.
Not one I'd support, but different.
The new change to the Rule clearly states how to deal with honorifics, and it does not say anything about using a "stage name".
This is an unusual case.
If Queen Latifah were a real queen, how would we profile her? Queen Elizabeth II is in several profiles: a mixed bag of Queen Elizabeth II// and Queen//Elizabeth II. But how do we correct these based upon the new rule? The only way I see to handle a name with an indivisible title is as a stage name. No problem, since Elizabeth is a first name, which is required. It's the ones with only a Last Name that become difficult through the new rule. And if we want a last name in this case, it is probably documented somewhere  | | | | Hans |
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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But if you used, for example, "Professor Corne" that would be exactly like a stage name.
Not if were actually a Professor!
Yes, because Professor is not his name. (At least I don't think so, not knowing Corne personally.)
If he is actually a "Professor" then "Professor is an "honorific"; therefore "Professor Corne" is not a stage name. Clearly, we would need to know if he is a "Professor" or not in order to know how to enter him in DVDP. While your point is sensible, I don't agree that an honorific cannot be part of a stage name by definition. I think Dr. Seuss (pen name for Theodor Geisel), earned at least one honorary doctorate, so Dr. became at that point an honorific. I strongly oppose any efforts to change his credits to Seuss [Dr. Seuss]. | | | | Last edited: by CalebAndCo |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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You are wrong. What the Rules did not anticipate was someone trying to create a non-existent controversy.
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If you are speaking to me ( I can't tell since you didn't quote anyone), please explain why I am wrong that the Rule says to only enter the "honorific" in the "Credited As" field.
If you are not speaking to me.....nevermind. No not you | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
While your point is sensible, I don't agree that an honorific cannot be part of a stage name by definition. I think Dr. Seuss (pen name for Theodor Geisel), earned at least one honorary doctorate, so Dr. became at that point an honorific. I strongly oppose any efforts to change his credits to Seuss [Dr. Seuss]. I never said that an "honorific" cannot also be part of a stage name. Clearly it can. "Dr. Seuss" is an interesting case. His real name is "Theodor Seuss Geisel". Therefore, "Dr. Seuss" is a "pen name" and very similar to a "stage name", so I would agree with crediting him as "Dr. Seuss//". Each of these cases has to be evaluated independently, unfortunaetly. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Professor Irwin Corey as a case in oint, being a stage name.
OTOH Professor Michio//Kaku is not.
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  | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
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But if you used, for example, "Professor Corne" that would be exactly like a stage name.
Not if were actually a Professor!
Yes, because Professor is not his name. (At least I don't think so, not knowing Corne personally.)
If he is actually a "Professor" then "Professor is an "honorific"; therefore "Professor Corne" is not a stage name. Clearly, we would need to know if he is a "Professor" or not in order to know how to enter him in DVDP.
While your point is sensible, I don't agree that an honorific cannot be part of a stage name by definition. I think Dr. Seuss (pen name for Theodor Geisel), earned at least one honorary doctorate, so Dr. became at that point an honorific. I strongly oppose any efforts to change his credits to Seuss [Dr. Seuss]. Dr. Seuss is his stage name -> Dr. Seuss//. But when he's credited as Dr. Theodor Geisel then it would be Theodor//Geisel [Dr. Theodor Geisel]. | | | | Cor |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
Dr. Seuss is his stage name -> Dr. Seuss//. But when he's credited as Dr. Theodor Geisel then it would be Theodor//Geisel [Dr. Theodor Geisel]. Actually not - seeing as "Dr. Seuss" is his common name, the latter would result in "Dr. Seuss [Dr. Theodor Geisel]". |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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Dr. Seuss is his stage name -> Dr. Seuss//. But when he's credited as Dr. Theodor Geisel then it would be Theodor//Geisel [Dr. Theodor Geisel].
Actually not - seeing as "Dr. Seuss" is his common name, the latter would result in "Dr. Seuss [Dr. Theodor Geisel]". That would be correct! "Dr. Seuss// [Dr. Theodor Geisel]" to be specific. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | Since Gibson's only credit is The Dam Busters, why wouldnt he be as credited: Wing Cmdr./Gibson ? | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting gardibolt: Quote:
Since Gibson's only credit is The Dam Busters, why wouldnt he be as credited: Wing Cmdr./Gibson ? The latest update to the Rules says not to put military ranks in the name field, but to include it in the "Credited As" field instead. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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