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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | I just, as of this morning ( three hours ago) submitted cast dividers for 2007 Heartbreak Kid.(#097361179940) It was a Huge job with numerous dividers.. 25 in all ..( thanks to thefon1010 for initial work). Followed all cast names and 'roles' thru 'On screen' pre roll of dvd running and for the first time Ever this older release and updated cast ( by me) was approved within 2 hours & before any votes came in!... strange...  | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 865 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
I just, as of this morning ( three hours ago) submitted cast dividers for 2007 Heartbreak Kid.(#097361179940) It was a Huge job with numerous dividers.. 25 in all ..( thanks to thefon1010 for initial work).
Followed all cast names and 'roles' thru 'On screen' pre roll of dvd running and for the first time Ever this older release and updated cast ( by me) was approved within 2 hours & before any votes came in!... strange... I had Good Charlotte: Live At Brixton Academy approved within the day as well. The rest of my contributions are still pending though. Maybe the screener is a fan? Paul |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Really?
... watermarked images being accepted is somehow related to Unicus' encouragement.
 If only I had this much power over my kids.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | As far as including company sufficies;
If it is decisded that we include the actual credit
"Visual Effects by xyz, inc"
I think the Company mark should be included.
If we only contribute the company
"Pixel Studios"
For the sake of consistancy, I would say Do NO include company suffix.
We need a ruling wheterh full credit or just company.
Charlie |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | We already leave them out for Studios, Production Companies and Media Companies, why include them for Special Effects Houses? What value does it add? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | To me, it is a difference of how they are presented.
If the decision is to present "as credited", ie "Special visual effects by etc", then we need to do it "as credited" fully. This will create some issues though, and it is not because of the 3 character suffix. There will be some that are going to be too long to fit within the 60 character limit. I think the final decision is going to take that into account.
If the decision is a company only credit, then yes i agree. the company suffix should be removed (for consistenct)..
Charlie |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
We already leave them out for Studios, Production Companies and Media Companies, why include them for Special Effects Houses? What value does it add? That's a red herring from another part of the program that has NOTHING to do with this particular question. Why do you like to talk about apples when the subject is oranges?  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
To me, it is a difference of how they are presented.
If the decision is to present "as credited", ie "Special visual effects by etc", then we need to do it "as credited" fully. This will create some issues though, and it is not because of the 3 character suffix. There will be some that are going to be too long to fit within the 60 character limit. I think the final decision is going to take that into account.
If the decision is a company only credit, then yes i agree. the company suffix should be removed (for consistenct)..
Charlie I don't see what we gain by keeping them, nor do I see what we lose by omitting them. We leave out guild affiliations from crew credits, why enter company suffixes? @ Skip: Happy now? Oranges to oranges. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | That's better.  And that argument I can accept, but even so the Company data without any addition accompanying data such as Visual Effects By is worthless | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
That's better. And that argument I can accept, but even so the Company data without any addition accompanying data such as Visual Effects By is worthless This is a point I have already conceded.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I know, I was just adding it for emphasis. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 865 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
That's better. And that argument I can accept, but even so the Company data without any addition accompanying data such as Visual Effects By is worthless But you know what they did/do by the credits following them don't you? I fyou use a dividers and then a couple of Visual Effects credits follow you know they did the visual effects so i don't see how it's wothless. My personal opinion is to just use the company name, nothing else, to keep things simple and neat. Of course other people could, and probably are, disagree(ing) Paul |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Paul: No you know nothing. Are those Visual Effects credits, are they digital, are they Special or what...you cna;'t tell can you. Not to mention how Visual Effects & Animation by ILM, that detail is completely LOST. And truist me Paul there are Digital Supervuisors under Visual Effects Company Credits, and in the Online the credit says what, does it say Digital Supervisor, does it say Digital ANYTHING, NO, it doesn't, it will say Visual Effects, it doesn't even tell you what THAT is. ROFL amazing | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 865 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Paul:
No you know nothing. Are those Visual Effects credits, are they digital, are they Special or what...you cna;'t tell can you. Not to mention how Visual Effects & Animation by ILM, that detail is completely LOST. And truist me Paul there are Digital Supervuisors under Visual Effects Company Credits, and in the Online the credit says what, does it say Digital Supervisor, does it say Digital ANYTHING, NO, it doesn't, it will say Visual Effects, it doesn't even tell you what THAT is.
ROFL amazing A problem we can prevent if custom roles are contributable. Also why would we want to know ILM did the animation when we don't track such credits? Even if we add Visual Effects & Animation by ILM it doens't tell us anything as Animation credits are not tracked to begin with Paul |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Paul:
No you know nothing. Are those Visual Effects credits, are they digital, are they Special or what...you cna;'t tell can you. Not to mention how Visual Effects & Animation by ILM, that detail is completely LOST. And truist me Paul there are Digital Supervuisors under Visual Effects Company Credits, and in the Online the credit says what, does it say Digital Supervisor, does it say Digital ANYTHING, NO, it doesn't, it will say Visual Effects, it doesn't even tell you what THAT is.
ROFL amazing As you like to say this is a red herring. I often see BOTH Digital and Visual FX supervisors under an effects house name - therefore having 'Visual Effects by XXX' wouldn't tell you anything about the people below or their roles. Where the divider sits within the crew list tells you, quite clearly IMO, what the people below were doing. If there's a divider in the Arts section and followed by Visual Effects entries then you know those people worked on visual effects. As we cannot, at this time, submit the custom roles; we can't get any more specific than that. Locally I type in the roles I see on screen; so I know that Mr. X was a Digital Visual Effects Supervisor for ILM, or Pixel Magic etc. I see no benefit to adding any text that precedes the name of the company to go in the divider. All it does is serve to clutter up the database with unnecessary text. It will also result, on many occasions, with needing to add double dividers which I am totally opposed to. As you stated in the post I quoted, Skip (and quite rudely I thought).... you know nothing. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Again perspective, i thought I clearly was indicating that yoiu know nothing from that data, not you know nothing, Neill. Get a grip, pal, this sounds to me like looking for offense. Who is the one being rude, Neill, you LOOKING for an excuse to be offended or me for trying to answer Paul. Now if trying to answer a question is rude...well excuuuuuuse ME!  Oh, oh I looked at my monitor cross-eyed, that's got to offend somebody. We are shoehorning far too mauch data into VE and even the position tells us little or nothing. As for the Animation to which Paul referred, I have seen enough such Company referrals that also did notinclude any Animation data indicating that the VE or whatever people perhaps Digital were also involved in Animation. The point is that it contains USEFUL information that cannot be obtained by throwing it away. It simply makes unclear data even less clear. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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