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Well you all know my preference.

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Category - brings up choices (as it does now) Click on Choice (Director) - Opens Text Field (Type in Co-Director) And all this be contributable so we sorta have a credited as for Crew Jobs as we do names. And yet when you filter on Directors it gets it from the job list under each category. So it will bring up Directors you get results of Directors and Co-Directors (if we decided on all crew per section that is).

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users wiil have to do a lot better than they are doing in documentation currently.

Reality check: there is no such thing as "documentation" when it comes to caterers, accountants, sign writers, carpenters, best boys and gaffers. If we're going to open up the online database to include possibly EVERYONE listed in the crew credits, then you can forget about documentation on birth years and common names. It just doesn't exist. It's hard enough already for lesser-known actors and the likes of sound editors or make-up artists, but once we go even deeper, the entire idea of "documentation" is really going to come to a grinding halt. Don't say I didn't warn you!

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Let me ask you a serious question. Let's say Ken decided to open it up to ALL Crew data. I recognize the issue you are describing. But are YOU going to try and tell me that you are really interested in how many films a guy was a Grip on, or an accountant. If you are you much sicker than thought. Lame attempt at humor. I think in reality all that we would need to be able to do is separate Tim Brown (hypothetical) the well-known Director and Tim Brown the Accountant. Now sure it is possible that at some point a Grip will become a well-known Director and if that happens that will documented somewhere, just like the kid in the mailroom that rises to become the CEO...it does happen and when it does you always will be able find out that this CEO started as a mailroom clerk. I thin sometimes much to much is made of linking. It definitely has its place but it can be taken to extremes. How many movies was John Smith (unknown) a Dancer in....I don't care.        

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Here is the bottom line.  I have yet to see a single person ask for full open credits...not one.  The only argument I have seen in favor of it is from a user, who won't use it, advocating for users who might.  I see no reason to institute a program change, that will lower the usability for some users, to benefit users that may not exist.

This problem can be solved by updating the crew rules, as well as the crew chart, to better explain which credits we are after.

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Here is the bottom line.  I have yet to see a single person ask for full open credits...not one.  The only argument I have seen in favor of it is from a user, who won't use it, advocating for users who might.  I see no reason to institute a program change, that will lower the usability for some users, to benefit users that may not exist.

This problem can be solved by updating the crew rules, as well as the crew chart, to better explain which credits we are after.

You apparently missed mreeder50's comment.

Sad to see such a combative attitude.

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Well you all know my preference.

I actually don't. I searched through some of your prior posts, but I'm still not clear on what Pete's suggestion is.

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Category - brings up choices (as it does now) Click on Choice (Director) - Opens Text Field (Type in Co-Director) And all this be contributable so we sorta have a credited as for Crew Jobs as we do names. And yet when you filter on Directors it gets it from the job list under each category. So it will bring up Directors you get results of Directors and Co-Directors (if we decided on all crew per section that is).

With the exception of contributing the custom roles, we already have the capability you describe.

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users wiil have to do a lot better than they are doing in documentation currently.

Reality check: there is no such thing as "documentation" when it comes to caterers, accountants, sign writers, carpenters, best boys and gaffers. If we're going to open up the online database to include possibly EVERYONE listed in the crew credits, then you can forget about documentation on birth years and common names. It just doesn't exist. It's hard enough already for lesser-known actors and the likes of sound editors or make-up artists, but once we go even deeper, the entire idea of "documentation" is really going to come to a grinding halt. Don't say I didn't warn you!

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Let me ask you a serious question. Let's say Ken decided to open it up to ALL Crew data. I recognize the issue you are describing. But are YOU going to try and tell me that you are really interested in how many films a guy was a Grip on, or an accountant. If you are you much sicker than thought. Lame attempt at humor. I think in reality all that we would need to be able to do is separate Tim Brown (hypothetical) the well-known Director and Tim Brown the Accountant. Now sure it is possible that at some point a Grip will become a well-known Director and if that happens that will documented somewhere, just like the kid in the mailroom that rises to become the CEO...it does happen and when it does you always will be able find out that this CEO started as a mailroom clerk. I thin sometimes much to much is made of linking. It definitely has its place but it can be taken to extremes. How many movies was John Smith (unknown) a Dancer in....I don't care.        

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I don't think we should recommend anything that would obliterate the linking features of the program for years to come. That's what I fear with Open Credits. How do you prove that Tim Brown the Accountant is not Tim Brown the Director if there's no data for Tim Brown the Accountant?

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Here is the bottom line.  I have yet to see a single person ask for full open credits...not one.  The only argument I have seen in favor of it is from a user, who won't use it, advocating for users who might.  I see no reason to institute a program change, that will lower the usability for some users, to benefit users that may not exist.

This problem can be solved by updating the crew rules, as well as the crew chart, to better explain which credits we are after.

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I don't see threads clamoring to add roles we don't currently track in any form. I see threads for people trying to clarify the crew chart and to allow for functional equivalents.

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Since getting the crew chart amended is a rarity, I would also like to see the contribution and voting rules amended to allow for contributions that differ from the chart if documentation is included that a role (eg. Dubbing Mixer) is equivalent to a role in the crew chart.

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A related suggestion:  There is already a custom role text field, data in which can coexist with a defined role.  (If you enter a Custom Role, but tick a defined role, what shows in your local is the Custom Role, but what contributes is the defined role.)

If this behavior were adjusted, it would give the ability to provide film credits-accurate data, while pigeonholing it into predefined roles for crossreferencing:  have the data submitted/stored as Credited Role and Role Category.  This would also provide the information necessary to approve/decline the submission.

Any thoughts?