I have reviewed the first ten pages of Google, over 40,000 total entries, and I can find nothing conclusive. The most credible is the BFI site, most of her entries are simply Kate Bowes Renna. I can't even locate a website for her, I would like to find at least one other credible source of parsing her name other than 1/2/3.

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OTOH Alien, I know many women who do exactly that. I won't go as far as you in presuming that it is either common or not. The FACT is that married woman DO move their maiden name to the middle name position, and that is every individual's personal choice, NOT ours. Just as some women choose to keep the maiden name, usually i think for professional reasons, instead of taking their husbands name. The point being that a persons is PERSONAL and none of us can presume to KNOW, we can only take a starting position (which was decided to be 1/2/3) and if another form of parsing can determined and documented then GREAT, I am all for it.

Do you ever actually read the posts you are responding too?

In fact I do and it was YOU, Alien, who made a very presumptious statement as fact, which was in facty merely your opinion.

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I think it's common depending on the area. Of all the married women I know, none of them took their maiden name as a middle name. They either dropped it or added it to their last.

That is NOT a factual statement and area has absolutely NOTHING to do with it, a person's name is among his/her most personal of possessions and you cannot presume know that which you do not know. In the end the only person that KNOWS is that person.

It's a completely factual statement. Of all the married women I know, none of them took their maiden name as a middle name. That is a fact. 100% accurate. Complete. Fact.

I also said that maiden going to middle happens.

But I assure you, I'm 100% correct when I say of all the married women I know, none use their maiden as their middle. So, in my area, it's quite common. You, pal, are incorrect when you imply that I am wrong.

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It's a completely factual statement. Of all the married women I know, none of them took their maiden name as a middle name. That is a fact. 100% accurate. Complete. Fact.

I also said that maiden going to middle happens.

But I assure you, I'm 100% correct when I say of all the married women I know, none use their maiden as their middle. So, in my area, it's quite common. You, pal, are incorrect when you imply that I am wrong.

As factual as your statement may be, it is completely irrelevant.  The Rules are not, and should not be, based on your or anyone else's personal experience.

You are correct, and never once in this thread did I imply that the rules should be changed because of it. I was simply explaining to Virus that it's not "common" in the United States for women to take the maiden name and make it a middle. It depends on the area. That's it. No one is trying to force changes on the rules here.

Just one question to the supporters of 1/2/3 for my understanding:

Would you also parse the name like this if it would be a male actor/crew member? For example: Marco Bittner Rosser

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Just one question to the supporters of 1/2/3 for my understanding:

Would you also parse the name like this if it would be a male actor/crew member? For example: Marco Bittner Rosser

Absolutely. That is merely a common starting place, documentation can change it.

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Just one question to the supporters of 1/2/3 for my understanding:

Would you also parse the name like this if it would be a male actor/crew member? For example: Marco Bittner Rosser

I parse every three part name the exact same way...1/2/3.  If, on the other hand, I know it should be parsed differently, I will provide that documentation when I submit the change.

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Btw, if she would be German and decided to take her maiden + her husband's name it would be "Kate Bowes-Renna" or "Kate Renna-Bowes".

In that case I don't think anyone would seperate the last name in a credit!     

Is this a law or custom in Germany?  It used to be quite common here, the hyphen I mean, but it changed.

I have asked this question of many elderly women I know. Many of them were never given middle names because, once they take their husband's last name when they get married, they use their maiden name as their middle name.

None of them a ever used a hyphen to combine the two names, This has become more common and many of the women I work with have chosen to combine their maiden name with their husbands.

Finally, I know several men who, for various reasons, decided to take their wife's name as their own once they married.

These are a few of the reasons that parsing of names needs to addressed on an individual basis. If there is clear documentation available the answer is simple. But, if the documentation is unavailable I would parse it 1//2//3 irregardless of the sex of the Cast or Crew member.

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In that case I don't think anyone would seperate the last name in a credit!     

Do you think ? Don't you remember the discussion about Jean-Claude Forest ?