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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
Quoting richierich:
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If we need documentation to add uncredited, then I think Kens stance that you then also need documentation to remove them is correct.
But if the Uncredited were added (i'm speaking of new profiles here) without documentation simply by referencing another profile which also doesn't document them why would documentation be needed to remove them?
Documentation to remove them is fine, assuming the documentation used to enter them was flawed or incorrect. Absolutely correct, tweeter. To do otherwise is treating them as some sort of sacred cow, which some believe. The documentation for removal is the lack of documentation that they are there to begin with, it's very simple. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.... So if I document uncredited cast on a profile, and contribute it and it's properly accepted, and then, Someone else comes along, makes a change to cast but doesn't check the box, then Everything I've done is wiped out? Is that what you're saying? Ken?  | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | As of yet, that is indeed what happens. You'd still get to vote on that removal, though...
Again, I can see how this may be helpful with regards to adding (uncredited) cast members to a profile (stressing the need for documentation, yet offering an an easy cop-out for those who don't feel like doing so), but I'm less pleased with how it'll play out with regards to existing entries. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | That's absolutely unacceptable. I'm done with this program.
What a stupid change, just to placate the people who don't like uncredited cast. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." | | | | Last edited: by gardibolt |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting gardibolt: Quote:
So if I document uncredited cast on a profile, and contribute it and it's properly accepted,
and then,
Someone else comes along, makes a change to cast but doesn't check the box,
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Everything I've done is wiped out? Likely there will be some unintentional removal attempts. Voting No should correct/prevent those errors. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Actually that behavior was a bug - it was supposed to show the option only when cast was changed, but instead only showed it when it was not changed. It has now been corrected, sorry for the inconvenience. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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Do I understand you correctly: if I uncheck this box, my contribution will not remove existing uncredited cast from the online profile?
Quite the opposite: I have just verified that if you DON'T check the box and submit, the contribution WILL remove any existing uncredited cast from the online profile.
That is, only when you're actually contributing to the cast section. If you're just fixing the overview, the (uncredited) cast checkbox also appears, but then leaving it unchecked won't do any harm - only when you're actually including the cast section in your contribution. I don't understand. I get it that the feature only works if you are including the cast section in your contribution, but I wonder: Does the filter strip out any Uncredited in the Cast unless the check box is ticked? Or does it only remove new/changed Uncredited data in the contribution but not in the online? EDIT: I've now read Ken's post explaining he corrected the bug. Thank you Ken!  | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Actually that behavior was a bug - it was supposed to show the option only when cast was changed, but instead only showed it when it was not changed. It has now been corrected, sorry for the inconvenience. I have re-checked, but I still have the same problem. It's not so much the appearance of the checkbox we were having problems with (I indeed see that it now only appears when it should, which is nice), but about how it strips existing entries from a profile when a contributor doesn't happen to check the box. That behaviour, also noted by gardibolt, still exists unchanged. Is that a bug, too? | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Ken Cole:
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Actually that behavior was a bug - it was supposed to show the option only when cast was changed, but instead only showed it when it was not changed. It has now been corrected, sorry for the inconvenience.
I have re-checked, but I still have the same problem. It's not so much about the showing or not showing of the checkbox, but about how it strips existing entries from a profile when a contributor doesn't happen to check the box.
So this behaviour, also noted by gardibolt, still exists. Is that still a bug, then? I can confirm this behaviour. If I make an amendment to a credited actor, and forget to then tick the box at the bottom before submission, any uncredited cast will be stripped from the profile, and that includes previously documented ones! This cannot be acceptable to anyone, perhaps if the checkbox only applied when new uncredited entries are submitted to a profile it would resolve this? | | |  |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | The checkbox should only show when the existing profile had no uncredited and the newly contributed profile does. Uncredited should only be stripped if the checkbox is shown to the user and left unchecked.
If that's not the behavior you are now seeing, let me know. Please note: if you last tested more than 20 minutes ago, you'll need to retest. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative | | | | Last edited: by Ken Cole |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
The checkbox should only show when the existing profile had no uncredited and the newly contributed profile does. Yes, now it's fixed: tested again with a profile with the same uncredited entries in both the online and local profiles, and then did a different cast change (not affecting the uncredited entries). Unlike previous tests, this now no longer prompts the checkbox, and as such no existing entries can inadvertently be stripped off by forgetting to check the box. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
The checkbox should only show when the existing profile had no uncredited and the newly contributed profile does. Uncredited should only be stripped if the checkbox is shown to the user and left unchecked.
If that's not the behavior you are now seeing, let me know. Please note: if you last tested more than 20 minutes ago, you'll need to retest. Yes, now it works fine as you describe. Thanks Ken  | | | |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
8Ball no one is arbitrarily removing uncredited data, they are removing from time to time that uncredited data which has never been documented, as they should in my book.
Skip With all due respect I don't care about "your book". My votes are based on the rules and Ken's statements in these forums regarding uncredited removal. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
My votes are based on the rules and Ken's statements in these forums regarding uncredited removal. Mine too. And it seems Invelos' stance on (uncredited) still stands. So still no unexplained arbitrary wholesale removal of existing (uncredited) entries - this just stresses the need for documenting newly added or copied (uncredited) entries a bit more, which is good. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,852 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Darknite: Quote:
so how should I document it so the undocument and Uncredited cast be removed from this profile Apparently it's impossible unless you provide a screen capture of every frame and identify everyone present. Then compile a list of everyone visible in any frame, and compare it against the cast list in the profile. Or, you can do the sensible thing and not contribute cast information. --------------- |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,852 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
To assist with this, we've added a new checkbox that will appear during contribution when the submitted cast contains uncredited entries. By default, all uncredited will be stripped from the contribution. To submit the uncredited entries, the checkbox must be checked by the submitter. I like this idea. --------------- |
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