Welcome to the Invelos forums. Please read the forum rules before posting.

Read access to our public forums is open to everyone. To post messages, a free registration is required.

If you have an Invelos account, sign in to post.

    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2 3 4 5 ...13  Previous   Next
Want to find common names? Don't use the Credit Lookup Tool
Author Message
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantkdh1949
Have Gun Will Travel
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 2,394
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting surfeur51:
Quote:
If my english is as bad as your french, I understand that you have some difficulties to understand me.

       
Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantkdh1949
Have Gun Will Travel
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 2,394
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting surfeur51:
Quote:
Not exactly. I agree that FRANCOIS can be only François, as Francois doesn't exist.

This is for Mr. Trauffaut and may be true throughout France, but over the years I've noticed that people (especially performers) frequently spell their names in some very unusual ways, so it may not be true that Francois doesn't exist.
Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantWhite Pongo, Jr.
No, I iz no Cheshire Cat!
Registered: August 22, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Posts: 1,807
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
Quote:
Quoting EnryWiki:
Quote:
Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
Quote:
Standard capitalization depends on the locality of the profile.

[...]

That's an assumption I wouldn't agree with. For starters, that would imply that the same name has to be entered differently in different Localities, and -sorry- that doesn't make sense to me. 

Yes, it does. For instance the only correct capitalization of the Dutch credited names "INGEBORG UYT DEN BOOGAARD" or "Ingeborg Uyt Den Boogaard" should only be Ingeborg Uyt den Boogaard, no matter what locality you're in.


But now I don't understand what you mean. You wrote: "Standard capitalization depends on the locality of the profile...".
-- Enry
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDaddy DVD
Lost in Translation
Registered: March 14, 2007
Netherlands Posts: 2,366
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting kdh1949:
Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
Quote:
If my english is as bad as your french, I understand that you have some difficulties to understand me.

       

Yes I had to laugh too, but personal attacks are not the way to solve problems.
Martin Zuidervliet

DVD Profiler Nederlands
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDaddy DVD
Lost in Translation
Registered: March 14, 2007
Netherlands Posts: 2,366
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting EnryWiki:
Quote:
Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
Quote:
Quoting EnryWiki:
Quote:
Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
Quote:
Standard capitalization depends on the locality of the profile.

[...]

That's an assumption I wouldn't agree with. For starters, that would imply that the same name has to be entered differently in different Localities, and -sorry- that doesn't make sense to me. 

Yes, it does. For instance the only correct capitalization of the Dutch credited names "INGEBORG UYT DEN BOOGAARD" or "Ingeborg Uyt Den Boogaard" should only be Ingeborg Uyt den Boogaard, no matter what locality you're in.


But now I don't understand what you mean. You wrote: "Standard capitalization depends on the locality of the profile...".

Yes, which means an American would interpret "INGEBORG UYT DEN BOOGAARD" to be Ingeborg Uyt Den Boogaard, but a Dutchman would interpret it as Ingeborg Uyt den Boogaard. So, indeed this will lead to two different capitalized names according to the current rules.
Martin Zuidervliet

DVD Profiler Nederlands
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantkdh1949
Have Gun Will Travel
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 2,394
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
Quote:
Quoting kdh1949:
Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
Quote:
If my english is as bad as your french, I understand that you have some difficulties to understand me.

       

Yes I had to laugh too, but personal attacks are not the way to solve problems.

Sad, but oh so true, Martin.
Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
United States Posts: 21,610
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting surfeur51:
Quote:
Quoting EnryWiki:
Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
Quote:

The only problem is that Henri Decaë is very well known, his name appears in many books about movies, and there is absolutely no doubt about his real name... as for François Truffaut...


The REAL NAME is not relevant at all in DVD Profiler.

Your saying the right thing but for the wrong reason. 

FRANCOIS TRUFFAUT is "François Truffaut" NOT because it is his real name BUT because he's French, and in your language FRANCOIS = "François", AFAIK.


Not exactly. I agree that FRANCOIS can be only François, as Francois doesn't exist.

But Decae could be possible in french, since it is a family name, and both Decae and Decaë exist.
So you have to know the real name to transcript DECAE correctly...

I make the same analysis than RHo


You can argue your cultural imperative all you wish, Yves, It is wrong. If you do enough Credits you will see things such as FRANÇOIS. I know you chafe at Rules, the term for that is anarchist which fits pretty well in France. Do NOT add data which does not appear On Screen PERIOD, that's the way it works PERIOD. Unless you keep it locally PERIOD.

Sorry my French is not up to your standards, it is very rusty, but it works.

BTW, Yves let me remind you that according to Ken, disagreement with something is no reason to for a reputation vote. You have not been attacked in any way, you have merely been told youi are wrong and corrected. unlike the attack you dedided to throw my way, sir.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
Since July 3, 2003
Registered: March 29, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
France Posts: 4,479
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting skipnet50:
Quote:

BTW, Yves let me remind you that according to Ken, disagreement with something is no reason to for a reputation vote. ..


If you got a red arrow for your post, it didn't come from me. You can PM Ken to verify this, and I'm waiting for your apologizes when he'll have confirmed this point...

I haven't sent any red arrow to anybody since the sad story of the blackmailer, when I understood how paranoid could be most people with the reputation system. As for red arrows, I collect them probably more than you do, and it makes me smile...   
Images from movies
 Last edited: by surfeur51
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
United States Posts: 21,610
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
If it wasn't you then you have my apologies. Which is more than i have seen in your behavior. A couple of weeks ago a user demanded an apologfy from you that was directed at me, the bthread was locked but you never apologized. But you have mine

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
Strength Through Unity
Registered: May 19, 2007
Reputation: Superior Rating
Germany Posts: 6,730
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Back to topic please
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


Registrant since 05/22/2003
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantWhite Pongo, Jr.
No, I iz no Cheshire Cat!
Registered: August 22, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Posts: 1,807
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting skipnet50:

Quote:
If you do enough Credits you will see things such as FRANÇOIS.

<...snip...>

Correct, but that doesn't change a thing, in my view.
French and English capitalization are quite different.
As far as I understand, in French "François" can be capitalized either  FRANCOIS or FRANÇOIS, and both translate to "François", thus we should enter that form per the Rules.
-- Enry
 Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRHo
Registered: March 13, 2007
Posts: 2,759
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting 8ballMax:
Quote:
Quoting EnryWiki:
Quote:


Nope! We do not use ALL CAPS.


I'm aware of that. I should have made it more clear. I appologize. HENRI DECAE becomes Henri Decae according to standard capitalization rules .

Not necessarily! That depends on the name and language!
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRHo
Registered: March 13, 2007
Posts: 2,759
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
Quote:
Standard capitalization depends on the locality of the profile. In the U.S.A. an E can only be an e, but in France it could be anything you mentioned. Therefore we need to know the standard name of the person, which as for now is not allowed according to this American rules.

Standard capitalisation rules do not depend on the locality. They depend on the language of the name. A French name is a French name in every locality.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorruben.
Save time do it my way!
Registered: March 31, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Denmark Posts: 2,798
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Hvat about "Robert L. Appere" he is credited in the following 85 titles (100 profiles) but if you look at the credit in credit lookup tool his only credited in 4 movies most of them is Alias rest NYPD Blue, Futurama, Murder One
But Robert Appere is credited in the following 44 titles (66 profiles) but his credited in 13 different movies...???

Credit lookup tool is great but not the best way to check crew and cast member.

In this case it must be Robert Appere credited as Robert L. Appere i know most people will say no he is credited Robert L. Appere credited as Robert Appere...????
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributor?
?
Registered: March 14, 2007
Posts: 3,830
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageDirect link to this postReply with quote
In the other thread I already documented that Francois does exist and is used.
DVD Profiler "Credited As" Name Database
Quote:
Francois in the UK
Francois in Holland
Francois in Belgium
Francois in Germany
Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDaddy DVD
Lost in Translation
Registered: March 14, 2007
Netherlands Posts: 2,366
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting RHo:
Quote:
Quoting 8ballMax:
Quote:
Quoting EnryWiki:
Quote:


Nope! We do not use ALL CAPS.


I'm aware of that. I should have made it more clear. I appologize. HENRI DECAE becomes Henri Decae according to standard capitalization rules .

Not necessarily! That depends on the name and language!

Correct.

Quoting RHo:
Quote:
Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
Quote:
Standard capitalization depends on the locality of the profile. In the U.S.A. an E can only be an e, but in France it could be anything you mentioned. Therefore we need to know the standard name of the person, which as for now is not allowed according to this American rules.

Standard capitalisation rules do not depend on the locality. They depend on the language of the name. A French name is a French name in every locality.

Every locality uses a different language and why should anybody care it's French if they only have to use their standard capitalization?
Martin Zuidervliet

DVD Profiler Nederlands
    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2 3 4 5 ...13  Previous   Next