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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
What were they told? Oh yea, copy the overview EXACTLY as it is on the case...errors and all. IMHO, that would include hyphens that aren't required. I would argue that the word is properly formatted on the back of the DVD case with a hyphen and improperly formatted in DVDP, therefore it is no longer an EXACT copy! | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
8ballMax & Unicus69. the rules state indeed:
Overviews should match the back of the DVD case exactly, including capitalization of words exactly as it is shown on the back of the case. If words are highlighted in italic or bold on the case, then identify them with ‘single quotation’ marks. Exception: If the entire overview uses an uppercase font, enter the overview using standard capitalization rules.
However I think common sense does not require to copy the hyphen as it is no part of the word.
When is it correct to use a hyphen?
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7. in dividing a word across a line-break. Guidance on word division is given in reference books such as the Oxford Colour Spelling Dictionary (1996). Please don't quote rules or give me a grammer lesson. This isn't about grammer! It's about what is on the cover. If a word is misspelled on the cover, it must be misspelled in the overview. If there is a hypen on the cover, it must be there in the overview...PER THE RULES. Do I like it? Hell no. I think it's idiotic but we have what we have. Change the rule and I'll change my tune. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,745 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just for my amusement, how will this dash be entered? For argument's sake take this as example: Quote:
Deoxyribo-
nucleic acid What does it become in DVDP? 1) Quote:
Deoxyribo-
nucleic acid 2) Quote:
Deoxyribonucleic acid 3) Quote:
Deoxyribo-nucleic acid 4) Quote:
Deoxyribo - nucleic acid 5) Quote:
Deoxyribo- nucleic acid 6) Quote:
DNA Strictly following the rules would allow 1) and 5) I'd take 2) For local use only I'd take 6)  | | | Karsten
DVD Collectors Online
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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Did I ever say it wasn't stupid? No I didn't. Why? Because this is about what I think is stupid. This is about what the rules tell us to do.
I suppose if you see a baby fall in a lake where swimming is forbidden, you will do nothing to save his life...
 We are talking about entering data into a database program. To make the analogy you just did is simply moronic and insulting.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
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Quoting Unicus69:
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Did I ever say it wasn't stupid? No I didn't. Why? Because this is about what I think is stupid. This is about what the rules tell us to do.
I suppose if you see a baby fall in a lake where swimming is forbidden, you will do nothing to save his life...
That's a much better analogy than the proverbial "jumping off a bridge".
Well done! You are right. It is a perfect analogy because entering stupid data into a db program is going to cause babies to drown. You two really need to get a grip on reality. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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What were they told? Oh yea, copy the overview EXACTLY as it is on the case...errors and all. IMHO, that would include hyphens that aren't required.
I would argue that the word is properly formatted on the back of the DVD case with a hyphen and improperly formatted in DVDP, therefore it is no longer an EXACT copy! You know I could make these kinds of arguements about every single rule if I tried. I won't because, unlike you it seems, I believe the rules...stupid or not...need to be followed. ALL the rules, not just the ones I agree with. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Please don't quote rules or give me a grammer lesson. This isn't about grammer! It's about what is on the cover. If a word is misspelled on the cover, it must be misspelled in the overview. If there is a hypen on the cover, it must be there in the overview...PER THE RULES. Do I like it? Hell no. I think it's idiotic but we have what we have. Change the rule and I'll change my tune. Very well said. I, too, would support a rule change. Until then, however, keep your personal preferences where they belong...in your local db. That is what I do. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Quoting surfeur51:
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Quoting Unicus69:
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Did I ever say it wasn't stupid? No I didn't. Why? Because this is about what I think is stupid. This is about what the rules tell us to do.
I suppose if you see a baby fall in a lake where swimming is forbidden, you will do nothing to save his life...
That's a much better analogy than the proverbial "jumping off a bridge".
Well done!
You are right. It is a perfect analogy because entering stupid data into a db program is going to cause babies to drown. You two really need to get a grip on reality. Talk about needing to get a grip. Based on your response, I would believe that you do not have a full grasp of what an analogy is. Anyone that advocates unwaivering adherence to the Rules to the detriment of the actual data has lost touch with reality, IMHO. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Talk about needing to get a grip.
Based on your response, I would believe that you do not have a full grasp of what an analogy is. I know exactly what an analogy is, thank you very much. I said it was a MORONIC and INSULTING analogy. I, sarcastically, agreed with your statement that it was a perfect analogy. Notice, in both statements, I used the word 'analogy'. So, since you seem to have a problem with comprehension, I will explain it better. Yes, it was an analogy. No, it wasn't a good analogy as it was moronic, insulting and completely absurd. Do you understand now? Quote:
Anyone that advocates unwaivering adherence to the Rules to the detriment of the actual data has lost touch with reality, IMHO. Just remember that you said that...I certainly will. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
as it was moronic, insulting and completely absurd. Do you understand now?
What is completely absurd is to write "I find this stupid, but as rules say to do so, I do so". We are not in a sect of rule adorators, we have a hobby for our pleasure, collecting movies on DVD, and that doesn't make us obliged to forget we can think. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Wine anyone. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: June 21, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Wine anyone.
Skip Yeah, I'll take the whole box, thank you.  Glad i said what I needed to say already as I don't feel like going through all the rest of this thread. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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as it was moronic, insulting and completely absurd. Do you understand now?
What is completely absurd is to write "I find this stupid, but as rules say to do so, I do so". We are not in a sect of rule adorators, we have a hobby for our pleasure, collecting movies on DVD, and that doesn't make us obliged to forget we can think. Did I say you couldn't think? No, I didn't. But, and this is the kicker, this is not my program. Neither is it your program nor Hal's nor Skip's nor insert any user name here. This is Ken's program and the online db belongs to him. He saw fit to include rules for contribution. If you want to contribute to his db, you must follow his rules. If you don't want to follow his rules, you have an option...don't contribute to his db. You are being completely absurd in your analogies. That is fine, but don't expect me to pretend that you are being reasonable. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | If the Rules said "enter end-of-line hyphens", I would enter end-of-line hyphens, no problem.
But the Rules do not say such a thing.
The Rules say that "Overviews should match the back of the DVD case exactly...".
What does "exactly" means?
It means we copy the text as it is, but we do not duplicate size, color, font, or automatic line breaks. And that end-of-line hyphen is just a consequence of a line-break, to show that a word has been broken off at the end of a line.
So, there are different opinions whether it's part of the "thing" we exactly copy or not, and each opinion is as "per the Rules" as the other.
IMHO | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 |  Posts: 700 |
| | Posted: | | | | My OCR prog always puts in the " ¬ " if it is a word splitter at the end of a line --> this function as a word splitter if the word get at the edge of line and is not visible if in the midle of the line. Not like the " - "... This function can be used in the overview in profiler. To use DJ Doena's exsample "Deoxyribo- nucleic acid" It will show in the overview vindow as this:  And in the edit profile box like this:  What the Asci code for this " ¬ " is I dont know (and dont know how to find out  I only copyed it from the OCR progs...) Unfortunely the string is not searchable, I did belive it to be when I startet this reply, but it is not (it gets hickup when you come to the " - " wont work even if you put it in the search... Well it was a try to get this discussion settel for something in the midle, but it failed... I post it anyway, as there maybe some smart people out there that know of a workaround... (and now got some wind in their sails?) Ole | | | | We are all at the same age, only at different time... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting oleops: Quote:
My OCR prog always puts in the " ¬ " if it is a word splitter at the end of a line --> this function as a word splitter if the word get at the edge of line and is not visible if in the midle of the line. Not like the " - "...
This function can be used in the overview in profiler.
To use DJ Doena's exsample "Deoxyribo-
nucleic acid"
It will show in the overview vindow as this:
And in the edit profile box like this:
What the Asci code for this " ¬ " is I dont know (and dont know how to find out I only copyed it from the OCR progs...)
Unfortunely the string is not searchable, I did belive it to be when I startet this reply, but it is not (it gets hickup when you come to the " - " wont work even if you put it in the search...
Well it was a try to get this discussion settel for something in the midle, but it failed...
I post it anyway, as there maybe some smart people out there that know of a workaround...
(and now got some wind in their sails?)
Ole I'm afraid I don't understand what point you were trying to make?? The point of the overview being in text is so that it can be searched (and read easily). If we want to see end of line hyphens we can look at the picture of the back cover. | | | | Paul |
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