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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,745 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting SpaceFreakMicha: Quote:
100% agree... episode level adds value (correct "watched by"), but disc level is no improvement in my eyes, since we can seperate Cast & Crew with dividers. You can do this as well if you like. AFAIK there is no limit in the indentation of box sets. You just can't contribute it. | | | Karsten
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting FredLooks: Quote:
We can make it work any way you'd like 
I tend to put C&C in child profiles, leaving containers blank, but that's certainly not the only way to do it ...
a little SQL magic and you're off to the races ... That is a great promise  I'll play with it soon and if needed you'll hear from me in the other forum...  | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | Registered: April 14, 2007 |  Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've got a question about TV series that have flip discs. I know we don't create separate profiles for each side, just for the whole disc. Do we put in a Divider in the cast and crew to separate the episodes that are on each side? | | | | Chris |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | That is something that is not covered in the rules... it is arguably ok to submit a profiler per side... as the rules says you can submit profiles per disc... and I have seen some tv series done this way in the database. I personally prefer 1 profile per disc myself though.
As for a divider for each side I have not seen this done yet... personally I would prefer not doing it.. but I would be up for discussing it if others did prefer it. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,745 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cmaeditor: Quote:
I've got a question about TV series that have flip discs. I know we don't create separate profiles for each side, just for the whole disc. I didn't know it was forbidden. I can't contribute 2 profiles if side A has one movie and side B has another? Not that I have such a disc. I thought the two sider counts only when it's the same movie or just some extras. Although I may have such a case: I've got a double-sided disc of "Dave". Side A is 16:9, side B is 4:3. | | | Karsten
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | To be perfectly frank about this subject, I'm not sure which I prefer. So, until such time as I make a decision which works better for me, I'm collecting complete data at both the parent and child profiles. BTW: The rules say: Quote:
Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required. Add these profiles to the box set contents of the parent profile. I take this to mean that the data from the child profile should be replicated in the parent. When I download new TV series profiles (or vote on contributions to TV series profiles) I see that everybody is not doing this. Some people are only including generic data at the parent level - and ignoring the disc id date and the cast/crew credits - leaving these data at the child level. So the parent profile shows NO disc ID information and no Cast/Crew lists. This seems to me to run contrary to the rules. I can work around this - at least as far as the Cast/Crew data are concerned. It's possible, though a bit inconvenient, to combine the child cast/crew data using Tom Gaines' Cast and Crew Editor. But there's no way, short of scanning the discs themselves, to roll the Disc ID data up from the child profile to the parent. If/when I do an analysis of a TV season, I am scanning the discs twice: once for the parent profile and a second time to create the children. So when I contribute a TV season the data will be there in both the parent profile AND the child profiles. That way, users are free to delete whatever they want for their local databases. If you don't want to use child profiles - find. Don't download them or delete them. If you don't want the cast/crew data at the Parent level - fine. Delete THAT data. I realize that this is a lot of work - duplicative work - but the online profile is SUPPOSED to be a starting place for ALL users. To be fair to everybody, the data SHOULD be entered in both parent and children. That's what it says in the rules. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| | Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
Quoting cmaeditor:
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I've got a question about TV series that have flip discs. I know we don't create separate profiles for each side, just for the whole disc. I didn't know it was forbidden. I can't contribute 2 profiles if side A has one movie and side B has another? Not that I have such a disc.
I thought the two sider counts only when it's the same movie or just some extras.
Although I may have such a case: I've got a double-sided disc of "Dave". Side A is 16:9, side B is 4:3. According to the Rules we aren't supposed to. Quote:
Do not enter each side as a separate disc. But some have been done that way. The Conan Franchise collection with is a flip disc has a profile for each movie in the online database. | | | | Chris |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Cmae:
The fact that some have been don ethat way, indicates that some users have violated the Rules and gotten away with it. It also means that thoe thitels have to be coirrected. As I have noted many times, if you enter each side independently you are creating ":fictitious discs".
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| | Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Cmae:
The fact that some have been don ethat way, indicates that some users have violated the Rules and gotten away with it. It also means that thoe thitels have to be coirrected. As I have noted many times, if you enter each side independently you are creating ":fictitious discs".
Skip I'm not saying it's right or correct. only that some were done that way. I'm just saying that there are some out there. Don't prescribe motives to my stating that they exist, to me saying they should exist. I am in the process of creating disc level profiles for most of the DC animated series, and the Superman ones have one single sided disc, and one flipper instead of just 3 singles. I was thinking about doing a profile for each side on the flipper, but then read the rules and saw it wasn't allowed. | | | | Chris |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,119 |
| | Posted: | | | | If DVD Profiler had an easier way locating child profiles for a parent profile it would be desirable. Right now, there's no auto-linking. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cmaeditor: Quote:
According to the Rules we aren't supposed to.
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Do not enter each side as a separate disc.
But some have been done that way. The Conan Franchise collection with is a flip disc has a profile for each movie in the online database. That is only for entering disc IDs into a normal, single feature DVD. That has nothing to do with creating child profiles for Box Sets. To be clear, the Box Set rules tell us that "Sets containing 2 films, one on each side of Dual-Sided DVD," are box sets. They go on to say we are to "Create individual profiles for each movie in these sets." | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Cmae:
The fact that some have been don ethat way, indicates that some users have violated the Rules and gotten away with it. It also means that thoe thitels have to be coirrected. As I have noted many times, if you enter each side independently you are creating ":fictitious discs".
Skip This is not a valid argument. First, you create a 'fictitious disc' any time you create a parent/child profile. Second, as I just pointed out in my post above, the rules for Box Sets tell us that we are to "Create individual profiles for each movie..." To do anything else would be a violation of those rules. The rule you cmaeditor quoted is specific to the 'Disc ID' field. It has nothing to do with creating child profiles for sets with a different feature on each side of a single disc. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Cmae:
The fact that some have been don ethat way, indicates that some users have violated the Rules and gotten away with it. It also means that thoe thitels have to be coirrected. As I have noted many times, if you enter each side independently you are creating ":fictitious discs".
Skip
This is not a valid argument. First, you create a 'fictitious disc' any time you create a parent/child profile. Second, as I just pointed out in my post above, the rules for Box Sets tell us that we are to "Create individual profiles for each movie..." To do anything else would be a violation of those rules.
The rule you cmaeditor quoted is specific to the 'Disc ID' field. It has nothing to do with creating child profiles for sets with a different feature on each side of a single disc. I hadn't noticed that in the boxset rules. It allows for 2 movies on a flipper but I don't think it will allow for my situation in which there are episodes of a TV series on each side. The only other example of flippers that I have in my collection is the Battlestar Galactica: Complete Epic Series, which has nothing four out of the six discs as fliippers. each disc level profile has both sides in the profile. So if I read it correctly, then I can't create a profile for side A and a separate one for side B. | | | | Chris |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cmaeditor: Quote:
I hadn't noticed that in the boxset rules. It allows for 2 movies on a flipper but I don't think it will allow for my situation in which there are episodes of a TV series on each side. The only other example of flippers that I have in my collection is the Battlestar Galactica: Complete Epic Series, which has nothing four out of the six discs as fliippers. each disc level profile has both sides in the profile. So if I read it correctly, then I can't create a profile for side A and a separate one for side B. The rules for TV Series does use the phrase, 'each disc', so it might not be allowed for submission. Since it is allowed for movie sets, however, I don't see why we couldn't do it for TV sets. I guess that is something we could ask Ken. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting cmaeditor:
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I hadn't noticed that in the boxset rules. It allows for 2 movies on a flipper but I don't think it will allow for my situation in which there are episodes of a TV series on each side. The only other example of flippers that I have in my collection is the Battlestar Galactica: Complete Epic Series, which has nothing four out of the six discs as fliippers. each disc level profile has both sides in the profile. So if I read it correctly, then I can't create a profile for side A and a separate one for side B.
The rules for TV Series does use the phrase, 'each disc', so it might not be allowed for submission. Since it is allowed for movie sets, however, I don't see why we couldn't do it for TV sets. I guess thatis something we could ask Ken. Even though I prefer 1 profile per disc I believe it can be read to be allowed to have profile per side... Rules say: Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required. Add these profiles to the box set contents of the parent profile. Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules with one exception - Cover Images. If a disc, or set of discs, have their own case, use the cover images from that case. When submitting a change to an existing TV series profile that is currently a box set, do not remove the existing contents.In either case, the cast and crew are to be entered into the parent profile using appropriate episode dividers.As you can see where I put the word profiles in bold... it is plural... leading me to believe there could be more then 1 profile per disc. But at the same time... you must have at least 1 profile per disc... so back to the original question... it is each disc that gets profiled. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Even though I prefer 1 profile per disc I believe it can be read to be allowed to have profile per side...
Rules say:
In either case, the cast and crew are to be entered into the parent profile using appropriate episode dividers.
As you can see where I put the word profiles in bold... it is plural... leading me to believe there could be more then 1 profile per disc. But at the same time... you must have at least 1 profile per disc... so back to the original question... it is each disc that gets profiled. I'm probably going to play it safe and do a disc profile that has the data for both sides combined, like was done on the Battlestar Galactica: Complete Epic. It's just safer IMO to err on the side of caution than end up doing it completely wrong then have to redo it. The second bit of the rules you quoted: In either case, the cast and crew are to be entered into the parent profile using appropriate episode dividers.Is something I am also in the process of fixing on Seasons Two and Three of Wild, Wild West. The Cast and crew data was only submitted in the Disc Profiles and not the Parent, even though they we both contributed by the same person. Extra work for other ti fix things when the rules aren't followed.  | | | | Chris | | | | Last edited: by cmaeditor |
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