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For some actors it is really logical. They are credited in their older film in their home country with accents and after they have been discovered by Hollywood they drop the accents for their names. It happens, not always, but it happens.

Sure it does. But we're dealing with that perfectly already, right? If the person's mostly credited without the accent, then that becomes the common name. So how does this relate to surfeur's proposal, or to the problem I pointed out?

This shows that it can be logical to enter the same credit as X for one film and as Y for another. Isn't that the problem you that you have stated? It may be logical and we have a way to deal with it.

I have to agree with T!M here. Why a different way to do it if the actor is in an Hollywood, an european movie, a French Canadian movie or a Japanese movie? If the actor is from a french speaking country is name is François Berléand since it's the correct spelling.

I can't understand the big deal that some user make of this...

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FRANCOIS BERLEAND (on screen) will be converted to Francois Berleand if he plays in a hollywood movie, and François Berléand if he plays in a French movie.

So you see the exact same thing on screen, yet in one profile you would enter that one way, and in the next profile, you'd enter it in a different manner. That's my problem. I think it's impossible to explain to the average user how he would have to enter the exact same on-screen credit differently depending on whatever criterium.

Agreed, either it is François Berléand, or it isn't.  If it is, then it always is.  Now, if I come across a credit of Francois Berleand, then it is a different story.  But if FRANCOIS BERLEAND is François Berléand, in a French film, then it should be François Berléand in all films.

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FRANCOIS BERLEAND (on screen) will be converted to Francois Berleand if he plays in a hollywood movie, and François Berléand if he plays in a French movie.

So you see the exact same thing on screen, yet in one profile you would enter that one way, and in the next profile, you'd enter it in a different manner. That's my problem. I think it's impossible to explain to the average user how he would have to enter the exact same on-screen credit differently depending on whatever criterium.

Agreed, either it is François Berléand, or it isn't.  If it is, then it always is.  Now, if I come across a credit of Francois Berleand, then it is a different story.  But if FRANCOIS BERLEAND is François Berléand, in a French film, then it should be François Berléand in all films.

Unless you have a credit that actually reads Francois Berleand, the you would still have surfeur buzzing on about the correct name, and don't say it isn't possible. Everything is possible in credits.

It might be entertaining to watch surfeur spin in such a credit because there would only be one possible way to argue it and he would do it in a minute. I can hear him now.

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Unless you have a credit that actually reads Francois Berleand, the you would still have surfeur buzzing on about the correct name, and don't say it isn't possible. Everything is possible in credits.

It might be entertaining to watch surfeur spin in such a credit because there would only be one possible way to argue it and he would do it in a minute. I can hear him now.

Since he already said that, for a Hollywood movie, FRANCOIS BERLEAND would be converted to Francois Berleand, I doubt he would argue against Francois Berleand being entered as Francois Berleand.  I could, of course, be wrong on this.

But as has been noted that is simply a bogus argument that you know i will scream about. Do it one way fro Hollywood film and do it another way for something else. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! The data IS. If it's a French film and the data says FRANCOIS BERLEAND then the data entry is Francois Bereland. That is one of the craziest ideas I have heard yet, but it is in keeping with surfeur's personal philiosophy about all of this, which will only fly if Ken starts creating DVDProfiler.UK, .Fr, .Ger and so forth then each locality can easily fly off and do whatever they wish and they will not impact anyone else, that is not the system we have today or we have ever had, it is a worldwide TEAM effort and particularly with the link system that Ken implemented we are dependent upon each other to input the data the same way in order for the CLT to function as it should. If Ken wants to set up separate databases for each locality, this would certainly be an acceptable way to end all of this silly back and forth, and the crazy ideas, but I feel like it would far too much work for him. His call though.

I can agree with T!M's point. I also think if a workable linking system was enabled, it would benefit all. (Meaning, as described somewhere in this thread, François Berléand would have its own unique identifier and all names come back to François Berléand)

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I also agree with T!M on this point.

So do I. I always preferred Gerri's statement that we base our conversion from upper to lower case on the nationality of the person involved. If you don't know the nationality of the person, just go with what you think is right - it's what we do with parsing and middle names.
I also agree that a better linking system would make introducing something like this a lot easier, although I think it's still possible to do it now.

I agree with this 100%.

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I also agree with T!M on this point.

So do I. I always preferred Gerri's statement that we base our conversion from upper to lower case on the nationality of the person involved. If you don't know the nationality of the person, just go with what you think is right - it's what we do with parsing and middle names.
I also agree that a better linking system would make introducing something like this a lot easier, although I think it's still possible to do it now.

I agree with this 100%.

So do I. Heck, I though Closed does as well (from a post two or three pages back), but the above post makes me doubt that.

Anyway, since the credit isself is not really a problem ("as credited", CLT) I think we should come back to the actual topic of the thread, which is the Role Capitalization? If someone feel the credits need to be addressed as well, then maybe a separate thread would be better?