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Unfortunately, I think you simply want to fight about something...anything.

No, I just want words to be correctly spelled when they are converted from all caps to mixed case.

I wonder how many more times I need to say this before you actually begin to comprehend it?

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Unlike you I am not looking for an excuse to throw out the Rules and allow imaginary data and all sorts of other attendant garbage.

Everybody know that you are against it for unknown reasons. Why you don't try to be constructive for once in place of using a confrontational tone and shouting in all cap at everybody here? Sometimes I can understand you, but I've a hard time to do it for awhile.

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(...) If the approach is, and I'm paraphrasing surfeur's proposal here, "oh well, just enter it however you deem fit", an approach that would even intentionally treat the exact same on-screen credit in different ways depending on the locality of the disc ( ) then I'm afraid I don't see the database getting a lot more "accurate" anytime soon.

No, Yves does not propose to depend on the locality of the disc for credits. He proposes to depend on the language of the credit list which usually is consistent across all the localities for the same film.

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I think I see what Surfeur means. If the word FRANCOIS was in the role, title or overview field of a French DVD then François is allowed by the rules. But not in cast name.

Yes, that is right.

A little more explanation (in French, easier for me than in Spanish...):

On screen :                      FRANCOIS BERLEAND    LE PERE DE LA MARIEE
French capitalization rules    François Berléand          Le Père de la mariée
Invelos proposed Rules        Francois Berleand          Le Père de la mariée

Contributors would have to remove accents in name and leave them in role. Logical ???

This makes it much easier to understand - thank you. Seeing it this way you are absolutely correct - to remove/add accents in one instance while removing/adding them in another is NOT logical.

Since the on screen credit of LE PERE DE LA MARIEE does not have accents then the only thing illogical is the fact that they are being added for the role but not added for the name.

It is no wonder you are bothered by this. The name and role should both have accents. Or, the name and role should not have accents. As it is, this is not only confusing but contradictory.

When I saw this I thought I understood - but, after 28 pages of discussion I am completely confused. So I wanted to bring this table up because this I understand.

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If that means in order to make you happy we have top go with STRICTLY As Credited and scrap the standard caps concept ...FINE then let's do that.

Let's not. That would just be another reason for people to not buy DVD Profiler and to laugh on other forums about how crazy we are.

I am curious as to why you think this would happen.  I have no problem entering names, titles, etc., in all caps.  In fact, I have worked on quite a few databases that required it to be done that ways simply because it is easier to read.

A database done fully in all caps is one things, but we're talking about not converting occurrences of "all caps" to mixed case; right? In that case, we would have a jumbled mix of ALL CAPS and lower case and Mixed Case credits, since those are what we would see on screen. It's the hallmark of a sloppy database IMO. And the reason for doing it that way would be that we couldn't agree on whether E would be "e" or "é" or "è" with 100% certainty so we gave up? It seems ridiculous to me.

Much easier to:
1. Convert to mixed case.
2. Allow for corrections to, for example, "e" or "é" or "è" with explanations.

I don't want to click on an actor's name and see a mix of upper, lower and mixed case roles. As I said above, that's just sloppy IMO. I don't expect a textual database to attempt to recreate a photograph of the style choices from the film credits.

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In fact, I have worked on quite a few databases that required it to be done that ways simply because it is easier to read.

That's the first time that I hear somebody say that ALL CAPS is easier to be read than Mixed Case. It may be easier to be entered, but easier to be read? Everybody else tells me that LONG ALL CAPS TEXT IS A PAIN FOR THE EYES.

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My problem is the same: dealing with the exact same on-screen credit in two different ways depending on no-matter-what. I just don't want that. I don't want to transcribe the exact same credit as X for one disc, and then as Y for the next one. And I don't believe that "logic" could easily be explained to a random user in, say, Japan, either. How do you tell that user - someone who hasn't ploughed through these 28 pages - that what he sees on the screen is sometimes to be entered as X, and other times as Y? How is that going to help us bring us any kind of consistency? I just don't see it working at all...

For some actors it is really logical. They are credited in their older film in their home country with accents and after they have been discovered by Hollywood they drop the accents for their names. It happens, not always, but it happens.

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If that means in order to make you happy we have top go with STRICTLY As Credited and scrap the standard caps concept ...FINE then let's do that.

Let's not. That would just be another reason for people to not buy DVD Profiler and to laugh on other forums about how crazy we are.

 

That response legitimately made me lol.