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But right now, surfeur's proposal would wreak havoc on the current system, which is why right now Ken's current ruling (E=e, É=é) has to prevail.

Sorry, but no, I did not say that, at all.  I said it would create additional problems, but I did not say it would wreak havoc.  It already has serious problems, so as far as I'm concerned it would have little consequence on the existing system.  Some Common Names would change...that is for certain.

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I have a suggestion for you, if you are going to try and impose intent, then i suggest you ASK what that was to begin with. I know that galls you and Martian, but you aren't talking about what the designed intent was. Trust me.

You seem to be unaware of the fact that "capitalization" rules only deal with whether to capitalize the first letter of each word.

If you disagree, please provide a link to an authoritative source for "capitalization" rules which describes how to convert all caps to mixed case.

DUH! I am not the one trying to arguue for imaginary data, Hal. You are, the Rules are what they are and what they have been and what we have operated under for FIVE years. You want to scrap it ALL, you want to play with fiction not fact, you want o use "correct" as defined by HAL,. not by the filmmaker's data, after all Hal knows moer than do the filmmakers and if he doesn't then all we have to do isd ask surfeur and Taro betweemn the three of you...you have all the answers, and martian can fill in what's left. That's a plan....NOT.

In other words, you cannot provide a source for how to convert all caps to mixed case? 

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My position is very clear, Hal. No imagimnary data PERIOD, unless you want to use it via Credited As, now I have been told that I can;'t make that suggestion because ken has already said No to that. But it's OK to talk about imaginary like, diacriticals, even though Ken has already said NO to that as well. That's hypocrisy..

I am especially not OK with the use of diacrits in Roles, if it is not there, since the Roles are already fictional and now we want to ADD fictional because somebody is assuming that which he is not qualified to assumed.

If we want to apply Standard Caps to Roles, I guess I am OK with that. If you want to apply strictly As Credited including caps, I think it will look bad from film to film, but that's preferable to including non-existent data, Hal.

We are after the credited Name not necessarily the "CORRECT" name which Taro goes on about. Do we really want to Marion Morrison, that after all was his "correct" name or Norma Jean, or maybe Ramon Antonio Gerard Estevez, I don't but if we are to follow taro's correct name that is what we will be using.

This discussion is all over the map.

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As long as the new "linking" file contained an entry telling the program that Rene Bond=Paula Schnall, then when you double click on Paula Schnall in the cast list, it would display all films where she's credited as either Rene Bond or Paula Schnall.

OK I got it, but I continue to hope I will be able to do it as I do actually in my personal database (if only for the good reason that many of the adult films I own are pay to download version and not dvd, so impossible to contribute).

I'm hoping that Ken will introduce some form of ID numbering system, so all you have to do is give people the same ID no. and they will link regardless what the credited name is on a profile. This number could be visible to us or hidden behind a GUI.
That way people can have locally in their cast database the real name of a person, their birth name, stage name - whatever they want - but can still contribute as long as the profile is as credited.
It would also negate the need for BYs as different people with the same name simply need different ID numbers.

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I agree with the concept. But obviously it is not for users to try and assign any number to any given actor/crew name. This would have to be done by Invelos in some way.

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But right now, surfeur's proposal would wreak havoc on the current system, which is why right now Ken's current ruling (E=e, É=é) has to prevail.

Sorry, but no, I did not say that, at all.  I said it would create additional problems, but I did not say it would wreak havoc.  It already has serious problems, so as far as I'm concerned it would have little consequence on the existing system.  Some Common Names would change...that is for certain.

Are you suggesting what I have suggested already, Hal. Use of the CA system to allow for François Truffaut(Francois Truffaut), now understand that I am setting this up per Profiler, just so the martuian doesn't try and twist what I am saying again. I am not using an all cap Profiler credit, because Profiler doesn't use all caps, OK. I think there might be some issues we would have to work out relative to the CLT but this is not the thread to do that, this one is all over the place already.

No, that is not what I am suggesting.  That would be a mistake.

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But right now, surfeur's proposal would wreak havoc on the current system, which is why right now Ken's current ruling (E=e, É=é) has to prevail.

Sorry, but no, I did not say that, at all.  I said it would create additional problems, but I did not say it would wreak havoc.  It already has serious problems, so as far as I'm concerned it would have little consequence on the existing system.  Some Common Names would change...that is for certain.

I don't think it would wreak havoc either.
If you look at the current situation: the majority of profiles affected by this will be those of French films. These films are mostly bought by French people or people who have a rudimentary knowledge of the language. Remembering that most people don't visit these forums and therefore will most likely not even know of Ken's statement, these people will most likely use their knowledge of the language to enter the data.
I believe Surfeur's rule change would simply bring the minority (those aware of Ken's statement) in line with the general masses, who are already doing this.
I consider myself to have a wide taste in films, but out of my 1,000 or so profiles I think less than 10 would be affected by this.

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One more time.

This issue is very simple.  What is the correct way to convert all caps to mixed case?

Which means that your entire post above is not about the subject at hand.

Let me repeat this Hal, I don't think I have a big issue with the caps, if that is what you are focused on. That does not include diacriticals. Very simple.

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One more time.

This issue is very simple.  What is the correct way to convert all caps to mixed case?

Which means that your entire post above is not about the subject at hand.

Let me repeat this Hal, I don't think I have a big issue with the caps, if that is what you are focused on. That does not include diacriticals. Very simple.

If you insist on converting this all caps text:

FRANCOIS TRUFFAUT

to Francois Truffaut

when the correct way to convert it is:

François Truffaut

then you do have a big issue with the caps.

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I'm hoping that Ken will introduce some form of ID numbering system, so all you have to do is give people the same ID no. and they will link regardless what the credited name is on a profile. This number could be visible to us or hidden behind a GUI.
That way people can have locally in their cast database the real name of a person, their birth name, stage name - whatever they want - but can still contribute as long as the profile is as credited.
It would also negate the need for BYs as different people with the same name simply need different ID numbers.

This coupled with Hal's suggestion(s) gets my vote 100%.

I'm surprised there isn't a unique identifier for the actors by this point, since this debate has obviously been going on for a good long while now.