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I would have to agree with Tim on this. Even Ken himself has said he needs to balance ease of use and accuracy. I think in this case ease of use is a bit more important then the accuracy. At least I know that is what I would personally do if it was up to me.

Both are achievable with the appropriate changes to the program.

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I think in this case ease of use is a bit more important then the accuracy.

As I already wrote, people for whom it could not be easy are not much concerned by this new rule, who is a great improvement for people who have many european (non English) movies. Just try to count how many profiles you have in your collection that would be a problem for you (european movies that have no profile in the localization of the language of the credits).

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Both are achievable with the appropriate changes to the program.

Can you please outline what these changes need to be to achieve this?

They are two-fold.

1. Allow the conversion of "all caps" to the appropriate mixed case of the language associated with that field (not necessarily the locality of the profile).  I still want to enter 'François Truffaut' for 'FRANCOIS TRUFFAUT' in a Region 1 profile.

2. Eliminate the "Credited As" functionality (along with the CLT) and replace it with a simple linking system which is maintained in the on-line database, and downloaded to your local just like any other updates.  There would need to be a contribution process specifically for submitting "linking" to the online db, which would require documentation and be voted on.

When you download the "linking file" to your local db, it automatically links all variations (included in the file) in every single profile in your local with no further action on your part.  This allows every user to benefit from the full knowledge of the entire community when it comes to linking.  I, for one, know that there are many actors who have completely changed their names during their careers, and that I am totally in the dark about.  That is the power of a large community that is completely lost under the current system (you have to fixed all of your own profiles individually).  No individual can possibly know all of the variations to link.

Also, if someone does not "convert" the "all caps" correctly, it doesn't matter for linking purposes, as long as an entry is made in the linking file for that variation.

For me the main goal is to get a linking system that works easily and capitalizes on the shared knowledge of the entire community.  Secondarily, I understand the desire of folks to get the correct spelling for their language when converting from all caps.

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Quoting hal9g:

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Both are achievable with the appropriate changes to the program.

Can you please outline what these changes need to be to achieve this?

They are two-fold.

1. Allow the conversion of "all caps" to the appropriate mixed case of the language associated with that field (not necessarily the locality of the profile).  I still want to enter 'François Truffaut' for 'FRANCOIS TRUFFAUT' in a Region 1 profile.

2. Eliminate the "Credited As" functionality (along with the CLT) and replace it with a simple linking system which is maintained in the on-line database, and downloaded to your local just like any other updates.  There would need to be a contribution process specifically for submitting "linking" to the online db, which would require documentation and be voted on.

When you download the "linking file" to your local db, it automatically links all variations (included in the file) in every single profile in your local with no further action on your part.  This allows every user to benefit from the full knowledge of the entire community when it comes to linking.  I, for one, know that there are many actors who have completely changed their names during their careers, and that I am totally in the dark about.  That is the power of a large community that is completely lost under the current system (you have to fixed all of your own profiles individually).  No individual can possibly know all of the variations to link.

Also, if someone does not "convert" the "all caps" correctly, it doesn't matter for linking purposes, as long as an entry is made in the linking file for that variation.

For me the main goal is to get a linking system that works easily and capitalizes on the shared knowledge of the entire community.  Secondarily, I understand the desire of folks to get the correct spelling for their language when converting from all caps.

I would support what you said on all accounts.
Much better as it is now.

cheers
Donnie

And one more thing Capitalization iis one thing. But Rol;es are a complete fiction in and of themselves, therefore to add fictional diacriticals to already fictional data makes the matter even worse. Who is Joe to say that diacriticals because he THINKS the role is French, there is nothing that says that is true, there is only the data and the data does not include diacriticals. Fiction upon fiction, does not create accuracy

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In short hal wabnts to completely get rid of the concept using the film credits for data entry.

This is a complete misrepresentation of what I have said.

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Data from the cover are converted following capitalisation and accentuation rules of the language of the localisation of the DVD. Data from credits are converted following capitalisation and accentuation rules of the language of credits.

I'd say that the titles (title and original title) should be capitalised according to their language and not according to the locality.

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5. AND that you have personally and individually corrected each and every profile in your local database for each and every variation of the actor name

I have indeed.

I am thrilled for you.  You and maybe one or two other users out of hundreds of thousands may have actually done this completely.  The rest of us are screwed unless we each want to spend untold hours going through the cast of every single profile and researching each and every credit to find out if the person has ever used any other credit during their career, or the credits writers entered in the film's credits differently in any way.

Personally, I seriously doubt that you have identified every single credit variation for every single person in your local database.  I find it very doubtful that you are aware of every possible variation.