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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | I made this proposal in the Rule Commitee Forum. I would see a general text in the introduction of rules saying roughly that (please, if a user speaking English could rewrite that in good English):
How to enter data
Data in dvdprofiler are in the form of alphanumeric text in roman characters, with normal capitalisation (Capital followed by lower case). Those reflect exactly data that appear on the cover of the DVD, or on the credits of the movie (so existing typos are reproduced as they are). Conversions that are autorized are for ALL CAPS data or non roman characters.
Data from the cover are converted following capitalisation and accentuation rules of the language of the localisation of the DVD. Data from credits are converted following capitalisation and accentuation rules of the language of credits.
More details for specific fields are precised in rules.
The advantage of this rule is to preserve consistency of data inside one profile. It is also rather easy for contributors who mainly use capitalisation rules that they know for data on covers. For credit data, profiles of DVD localised in countries using language of credits may help other contributors.
The disadvantage is the risk to treat differently an actor's name if he plays, for example, in a Hollywood or a French movie. FRANCOIS BERLEAND (on screen) will be converted to Francois Berleand if he plays in a hollywood movie, and François Berléand if he plays in a French movie. Just use CLT to decide common name. French actors playing mainly in French movies will have common name "as in France", and those playing mainly in Hollywood movies will have common name "as in Hollywood" | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | ^^ Not bad.  For me as linguistic lame duck still remains the problem finding the correct conversation to mixed cap, but it could work. |
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| Registered: February 23, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | Although not perfect, I think it's a step in the right direction. I'll have a look at your proposal in the rules committee and actually I'm brewing something similar for Asian movies which I'll also post in a new thread in the rules committee. Thanks for the input! | | | Blu-ray collection
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,774 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
I made this proposal in the Rule Commitee Forum. I would see a general text in the introduction of rules saying roughly that (please, if a user speaking English could rewrite that in good English):
How to enter data
Data in dvdprofiler are in the form of alphanumeric text in roman characters, with normal capitalisation (Capital followed by lower case). Those reflect exactly data that appear on the cover of the DVD, or on the credits of the movie (so existing typos are reproduced as they are). Conversions that are autorized are for ALL CAPS data or non roman characters.
Data from the cover are converted following capitalisation and accentuation rules of the language of the localisation of the DVD. Data from credits are converted following capitalisation and accentuation rules of the language of credits.
More details for specific fields are precised in rules. I'm ok with this, EXCEPT for the part bolded by me. It should stay "as credited" with the use of the CLT for a common name. |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting SpaceFreakMicha: Quote:
It should stay "as credited" with the use of the CLT for a common name. It stays as credited. The problem is conversion from all caps to small letters | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting SpaceFreakMicha: Quote:
I'm ok with this, EXCEPT for the part bolded by me. It should stay "as credited" with the use of the CLT for a common name. It cannot stay "As Credited"! If the credit is 'FRANCOIS TRUFFAUT', we never enter it as 'FRANCOIS TRUFFAUT', which is the only way to enter it "as credited". We must convert the all caps letters to mixed case letters. The proper way to convert the above name is to 'François Truffaut', since 'Francois Truffaut' is actually mis-spelling the name during the conversion. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | I ain't in the rules comitee (probably way too much debate for me), but your proposition Yves looks like a good compromise to me (not perfect, but better than what we have to do actually). |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | As others have stated, this is definitely a step in the right direction. Who do you have to pay to be in the rules committee? | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
As others have stated, this is definitely a step in the right direction.
Who do you have to pay to be in the rules committee? All you have to do is PM Gerri and ask. Don't want to be a wet blanket here... but this still all depends on if Ken wants to make this change. I have seen him say no to what I thought was good ideas before... more then once. So even if the community agrees... Ken may still want E=e and É=é. | | | | Pete |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Ken may still want E=e and É=é. I sure hope so! As of yet, what I've seen will create a huge mess, even to the point of knowingly and intentionally dealing with the exact same on-screen credit in different ways in different profiles, will render the CLT completely useless, and will result in me no longer being sure about entering virtually any cast or crew credit a wide variety of fairly "exotic" CoO's. As of yet, the idea seems to be "oh well, just do as you deem fit, and maybe someday someone will come along with specific knowledge to correct it". Compared with the perfectly simple, foolproof system we've got now, I can't help seeing that as a total nightmare. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Quoting Alien Redrum:
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As others have stated, this is definitely a step in the right direction.
Who do you have to pay to be in the rules committee?
All you have to do is PM Gerri and ask. Well after three or four PMs with no response, I guess I got my answer, then.  | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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Ken may still want E=e and É=é.
I sure hope so!
As of yet, what I've seen will create a huge mess, even to the point of knowingly and intentionally dealing with the exact same on-screen credit in different ways in different profiles, will render the CLT completely useless, and will result in me no longer being sure about entering virtually any cast or crew credit a wide variety of fairly "exotic" CoO's. As of yet, the idea seems to be "oh well, just do as you deem fit, and maybe someday someone will come along with specific knowledge to correct it". Compared with the perfectly simple, foolproof system we've got now, I can't help seeing that as a total nightmare. We already have a huge mess today. Created in part by today's Rules. Created in part by the current CA system. The CLT is already completely useless. When 'FRANCOIS TRUFFAUT' is entered as 'Francois Trufaut', but 'François Truffaut' is entered as 'François Truffaut' the problem will continue in perpetuity! | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
When 'FRANCOIS TRUFFAUT' is entered as 'Francois Trufaut', but 'François Truffaut' is entered as 'François Truffaut' the problem will continue in perpetuity! I don't see any problem with it (of course both variants are linked together using the "credited as" feature). It's simple, foolproof and consistent - and easy to understand for EVERYONE, whether you're French, American, Dutch, Korean, Russian or whatever. The alternative seems to be much, much worse.  |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
Well after three or four PMs with no response, I guess I got my answer, then. Ken and Geri rarely open their PMs. Support tickets work better (contact us at the bottom of the page) | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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When 'FRANCOIS TRUFFAUT' is entered as 'Francois Trufaut', but 'François Truffaut' is entered as 'François Truffaut' the problem will continue in perpetuity!
I don't see any problem with it (of course both variants are linked together using the "credited as" feature). It's simple, foolproof and consistent - and easy to understand for EVERYONE, whether you're French, American, Dutch, Korean, Russian or whatever. The alternative seems to be much, much worse. I would have to agree with Tim on this. Even Ken himself has said he needs to balance ease of use and accuracy. I think in this case ease of use is a bit more important then the accuracy. At least I know that is what I would personally do if it was up to me. | | | | Pete |
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