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I know that at this point, 18 pages into this thread, my reply won't make a shred of difference, but I want to throw my hat in the ring that's against full open credits.

I'd be fine with contributable custom roles, I think that would be good, but full open credits would simply detract me from contributing anymore crew.

Recently I completed full cast and crew updates for the television series Reba, seasons 2-6 (1 was completed before expanded crew roles were put in place, I was planning on going back to it in the future), including the full season boxsets and all individual discs included in the boxset. Something like that is a TON of work. Took me over a week to complete. I absolutely cannot imagine the pain and hassle of putting in absolutely everything the credits had to offer, for each of the 13-24 episodes, for five full seasons. I simply wouldn't even bother tackling it.

Plus, full open credits would simply, for lack of a better word, intimidate me.

Knowing full well I didn't HAVE to contribute full and open credits, I would feel like I was doing a half-a** job if I did anything but full and open credits. But then I wouldn't be entirely sure which credits I should selectively choose to enter. Would I stick with what used to be? Would I go further and enter one or two more credits than what used to be? Would I enter what I personally consider to be useless credits like catering? I know I wouldn't be taking the extreme amount of time it would take to enter them all, but what would I enter?

It would simply stop me from contributing crew, plain and simple. And I know I wouldn't be the only one.

I spend too much time here as it is. Between school and work, I just don't have unlimited time to spend entering full and open credits. In the past 26 days, I've submitted 72 contributions to the system. Some small changes (such as adding digital copy), some complete re-audits of really really messed up titles (like Canadian localities of The Passion of the Christ and The Perfect Storm) and some complete and brand new submissions to the system which include full crew as it stands now.

If I'm scared off (and I feel I have a nice understanding and a decent grasp of the system), I can only imagine how many others would be scared off. Take my 72 submissions (all of which at this point that aren't still pending have been approved) and multiply that by however many other members get scared off.... We're talking about losing a TON of data. And honestly, I just don't see anyone else picking up the slack for those that no longer want to contribute. I'm still, to this day, finding titles in my collection from pre-invelos days that haven't even been touched. We don't have enough contributors now... I don't want to lose the ones we have, and I don't want to lose future data that's important to me. Crew would become a useless section of the program (I dare someone to enter the full credits for The Lord of the Rings Trilogy) and with such daunting work staring me in the face, I'd probably just go local and say screw the online (this isn't even touching the other problems mentioned in this thread so far).

I think full open credits is a bad idea and asking for problems no one wants. I agree with those that said: Fix the problems we have now, worry about creating new ones after these are taken care of.

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Ok...upfront I haven't read all 20 pages of this thread (got to page 10 and had enough!). I also see that Ken has posted to say the current system is not likely to change in the near future (YAY!!).

I'm against Open Credits.
However, I am FOR being able to contribute the custom fields we have now.

I would like to know that if I've typed Digital Effects Supervisor into the custom field that another user will benefit from that when they download a profile I've submitted.

Here's my reasons for being against OCs:

1. I have a problem with only doing a job halfway. When the new crew came in I was initially NOT including Costume Supervisors if a Designer was present. But the part of my brain that says "If you're going to do something then do it right" kicked in an I couldn't justify leaving CS's out when I was editing the profile anyway.

1a. Subsequently, despite not wanting the vast majority of crew in a profile I still submit them for other users who do.

1c. Therefore, with open credits I would feel obligated to complete the entire crew list!!!

2. Approximately 3-4 years ago I completely audited all my films and then moved onto the TV shows. By the time the new crew came in I was upto 'D' in my TV shows. The new crew meant I was going to have to re-audit A-C.

2a. Then when I reached H the new dividers came in - meaning I now have to re-audit A-H.

3. I have just started auditing my entire collection from the beginning again (that's 3556 titles...not including the hundreds of child profiles which would bring the total to nearer 6000). As I go I am locking my profiles.

3a. I will NOT re-audit these titles again because, in my opinion, we have quite enough crew as it is.

3b. Therefore the onus will be on other users to do all the work; which I could benefit from. Hardly a fair situation as far as I am concerned.

Also - it really got my goat that some of the loudest voices advocating open credits don't contribute. These users are the ones who are selfish. Selfish beyond belief. They expect everyone to do the work while they sit back, benefit from the hard work of others; and act like judge and jury. I have so had it with this kind of elitist attitude. If they want open credits then, in my opinion they will be using a database with just a small selection of like-minded people because the vast majority of us will cease contributing.

I realise that the above statement is a lot more controversial and potentially offensive than I usually post but I am totally sick of people who do NOTHING dictating to those of us that do all the work.

@Ken - I will say right now that if Open Credits are introduced I will stop contributing because I don't have the time to complete profiles the way they would be expected to be done. It's unreasonable to expect anyone to do this level of work and still make the database useful to all users. Please don't turn me into a selfish bugger like some other users here.

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Donnie:

What you fail to grasp is that I AM trying to fix the problems that we have. All that Full Open Credits would mean is more work, granted. But it couldn't be any easier, WSIWYT in every case, no debate, no discussion, no fights, no "Should i enter this" threads (repetitively). It would simply mean more work. I do understand the concerns, I have them to and have for years, but I can't come up with a way to capture what we really want which are the Skill positions and not the Support staff.

Skip

Skip,

if there were still people supporting Full open credits, they should draw back from that after Cellophane's post. Do you even have the slightest idea how huge the online database would get ?
Not to mention the local databases that would also explode and not fit on any USB stick anymore

Donnie

No, Donnie, I konw nothing about designing and building databases. Your comment is exactly the kind of insulting hyperbole which i so hate and want to see ended. You apparently enjoy it.. Good grief. I don't seeyou trying to come up with ANY answers, just positioning yourself as a roadblock.

I was designing Dbs before you probably knew what a computer was and my wife since probably before you were a glint in your daddy's eyes.

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As a first my post was not intended as an insult, I just stated that Mr. Cellophane was pefectly correct.
On a second, how do you know if I have knowledge or have no knowledge about databases ?
Puzzles me....


Donnie