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Crew Credits: How do you want to track them?
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Option one - Full open credits (12)
Option Two - Limited Open Credits (15)
Option Three - Contributable Custom Roles (23)
Option Four - No Changes (39)
Option Five - Something Else (4)
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorm.cellophane
tonight's the night...
Registered: March 13, 2007
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northbloke was kind enough to share his work with me. He spent 3 hours tracking one minute of film credits from Casino Royale. There was an additional minute of film credits remaining when he gave up.

After he was done, he restored to his original version and ran database repair. That action removed 388 unused names from his local database as a result of this one (half) "full open credits" profile. He also reports that the size difference of the dpb file increased 5% with the addition of the half full open credits and the estimate would therefore be that the full open credits version would be 10% larger than the standard version.

I'm going to paste the crew from Casino Royale in 3 different versions for you to compare:
  • Official Invelos version

  • My personal version (all custom as-credited titles for official Invelos roles plus a few thrown in based on my preferences [set decorator, casting, etc]) which is sort of Option 3 in this poll if it were contributable (which I haven't updated with art house dividers yet)(and it doesn't appear that I was tracking all of the "by" words (eg. Directed by) at the time I did this one...well, you'll get the idea)

  • northbloke's (half) full open credits version 


    • Enjoy.

    And many thanks again to northbloke for doing the work to check this out and allowing me to share it.   

    Official Invelos version
    Quote:
    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?>
    <CrewInformation>
      <Title>Casino Royale</Title>
      <Credits>
        <Credit FirstName="Martin" MiddleName="" LastName="Campbell" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Direction" CreditSubtype="Director" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Ian" MiddleName="" LastName="Fleming" BirthYear="1908" CreditType="Writing" CreditSubtype="Original Material By" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Neal" MiddleName="" LastName="Purvis" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Writing" CreditSubtype="Screenwriter" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Robert" MiddleName="" LastName="Wade" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Writing" CreditSubtype="Screenwriter" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Paul" MiddleName="" LastName="Haggis" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Writing" CreditSubtype="Screenwriter" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Anthony" MiddleName="" LastName="Waye" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Executive Producer" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Callum" MiddleName="" LastName="McDougall" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Executive Producer" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Michael" MiddleName="G." LastName="Wilson" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Producer" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Barbara" MiddleName="" LastName="Broccoli" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Producer" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Phil" MiddleName="" LastName="Méheux" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Director of Photography" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Stuart" MiddleName="" LastName="Baird" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Film Editing" CreditSubtype="Film Editor" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="David" MiddleName="" LastName="Arnold" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Music" CreditSubtype="Composer" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Chris" MiddleName="" LastName="Cornell" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Music" CreditSubtype="Song Writer" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="David" MiddleName="" LastName="Arnold" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Music" CreditSubtype="Song Writer" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Monty" MiddleName="" LastName="Norman" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Music" CreditSubtype="Theme By" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Chris" MiddleName="" LastName="Munro" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Sound" CreditSubtype="Production Sound Mixer" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Eddy" MiddleName="" LastName="Joseph" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Sound" CreditSubtype="Supervising Sound Editor" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Mike" MiddleName="Prestwood" LastName="Smith" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Sound" CreditSubtype="Sound Re-Recording Mixer" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Martin" MiddleName="" LastName="Cantwell" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Sound" CreditSubtype="Sound Designer" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Mark" MiddleName="" LastName="Taylor" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Sound" CreditSubtype="Sound Re-Recording Mixer" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Paul" MiddleName="" LastName="Engelen" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Make-up Artist" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Dan" MiddleName="" LastName="Grace" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Costume Designer" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Steve" MiddleName="" LastName="Begg" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Visual Effects" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Simon" MiddleName="" LastName="Lamont" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Art Director" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Chris" MiddleName="" LastName="Corbould" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Visual Effects" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Lindy" MiddleName="" LastName="Hemming" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Costume Designer" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Peter" MiddleName="" LastName="Lamont" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Production Designer" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Dominic" MiddleName="" LastName="Masters" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Art Director" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Steven" MiddleName="" LastName="Lawrence" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Art Director" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Peter" MiddleName="" LastName="Francis" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Art Director" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Alan" MiddleName="" LastName="Tomkins" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Art Director" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Fred" MiddleName="" LastName="Hole" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Art Director" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="John" MiddleName="Paul" LastName="Docherty" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Visual Effects" CreditedAs=""/>
      </Credits>
    </CrewInformation>


    The cellophane version
    Quote:
    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?>
    <CrewInformation>
      <Title>Casino Royale: Collector&apos;s Edition</Title>
      <Credits>
        <Credit FirstName="Martin" MiddleName="" LastName="Campbell" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Direction" CreditSubtype="Director" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Ian" MiddleName="" LastName="Fleming" BirthYear="1908" CreditType="Writing" CreditSubtype="Original Material By" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Based on the Novel"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Neal" MiddleName="" LastName="Purvis" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Writing" CreditSubtype="Screenwriter" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Robert" MiddleName="" LastName="Wade" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Writing" CreditSubtype="Screenwriter" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Paul" MiddleName="" LastName="Haggis" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Writing" CreditSubtype="Screenwriter" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Anthony" MiddleName="" LastName="Waye" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Executive Producer" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Callum" MiddleName="" LastName="McDougall" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Executive Producer" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Michael" MiddleName="G." LastName="Wilson" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Producer" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Barbara" MiddleName="" LastName="Broccoli" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Producer" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Andrew" MiddleName="" LastName="Noakes" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Associate Producer"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Phil" MiddleName="" LastName="Méheux" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Director of Photography" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Stuart" MiddleName="" LastName="Baird" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Film Editing" CreditSubtype="Film Editor" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Editor"/>
        <Credit FirstName="David" MiddleName="" LastName="Arnold" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Music" CreditSubtype="Composer" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Music"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Chris" MiddleName="" LastName="Cornell" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Music" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="&quot;You Know My Name&quot; Performer"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Chris" MiddleName="" LastName="Cornell" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Music" CreditSubtype="Song Writer" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="&quot;You Know My Name&quot; Writer and Producer"/>
        <Credit FirstName="David" MiddleName="" LastName="Arnold" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Music" CreditSubtype="Song Writer" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="&quot;You Know My Name&quot; Writer and Producer"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Monty" MiddleName="" LastName="Norman" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Music" CreditSubtype="Theme By" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="&quot;The James Bond Theme&quot; Writer"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Chris" MiddleName="" LastName="Munro" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Sound" CreditSubtype="Sound" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Sound Recordist"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Eddy" MiddleName="" LastName="Joseph" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Sound" CreditSubtype="Supervising Sound Editor" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Mike" MiddleName="Prestwood" LastName="Smith" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Sound" CreditSubtype="Sound Re-Recording Mixer" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Re-Recording Mixer"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Martin" MiddleName="" LastName="Cantwell" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Sound" CreditSubtype="Sound Designer" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Mark" MiddleName="" LastName="Taylor" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Sound" CreditSubtype="Sound Re-Recording Mixer" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Re-Recording Mixer"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Paul" MiddleName="" LastName="Engelen" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Make-up Effects" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Makeup Supervisor"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Steve" MiddleName="" LastName="Begg" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Visual Effects" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Visual Effects and Miniature Supervisor"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Simon" MiddleName="" LastName="Lamont" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Art Director" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Supervising Art Director"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Chris" MiddleName="" LastName="Corbould" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Special Effects &amp; Miniature Effects Sup"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Lindy" MiddleName="" LastName="Hemming" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Costume Designer" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Peter" MiddleName="" LastName="Lamont" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Production Designer" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Dominic" MiddleName="" LastName="Masters" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Art Director" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Steven" MiddleName="" LastName="Lawrence" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Art Director" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Peter" MiddleName="" LastName="Francis" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Art Director" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Alan" MiddleName="" LastName="Tomkins" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Art Director" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Fred" MiddleName="" LastName="Hole" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Art Director" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Lee" MiddleName="" LastName="Sandales" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Set Decorator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Simon" MiddleName="" LastName="Wakefield" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Art" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Set Decorator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Debbie" MiddleName="" LastName="Mcwilliams" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Casting"/>
      </Credits>
    </CrewInformation>


    The northbloke (half) full open credits version
    Quote:
    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?>
    <CrewInformation>
      <Title>Casino Royale: 2-Disc Widescreen Edition</Title>
      <Credits>
        <Credit FirstName="Terry" MiddleName="" LastName="Madden" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Direction" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Second Unit Assistant Director"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Bruce" MiddleName="" LastName="Moriarty" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Direction" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="First Assistant Director"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Alexander" MiddleName="" LastName="Witt" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Direction" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Second Unit Director"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Martin" MiddleName="" LastName="Campbell" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Direction" CreditSubtype="Director" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Directed by"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Toby" MiddleName="" LastName="Hefferman" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Direction" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Second Assistant Director"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Ben" MiddleName="" LastName="Dixon" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Direction" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Second Assistant Director"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Terence" MiddleName="P." LastName="Madden" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Direction" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Second Assistant Director"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Katy" MiddleName="" LastName="Farzanrad" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Direction" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Assistant to Mr. Campbell"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Heather" MiddleName="" LastName="Banta" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Direction" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Assistant to Mr. Witt"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Michael" MiddleName="" LastName="Michael" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Direction" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Additional Assistant Director"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Paul" MiddleName="" LastName="Sacks" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Direction" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Additional Assistant Director"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Bryn" MiddleName="" LastName="Lawrence" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Direction" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Additional Assistant Director"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Andy" MiddleName="" LastName="Madden" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Direction" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Additional Assistant Director"/>
        <Divider Caption="Miniature Unit" Type="Group" CreditType="Direction"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Mark" MiddleName="" LastName="Harrison" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Direction" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="First Assistant Director"/>
        <Divider Caption="" Type="EndDiv" CreditType="Direction"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Jean" MiddleName="" LastName="Bourne" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Writing" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Script Supervisor"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Ian" MiddleName="" LastName="Fleming" BirthYear="1908" CreditType="Writing" CreditSubtype="Original Material By" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Based on the novel by"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Neal" MiddleName="" LastName="Purvis" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Writing" CreditSubtype="Screenwriter" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Screenplay by"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Robert" MiddleName="" LastName="Wade" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Writing" CreditSubtype="Screenwriter" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Screenplay by"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Paul" MiddleName="" LastName="Haggis" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Writing" CreditSubtype="Screenwriter" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Screenplay by"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Lori" MiddleName="" LastName="Wyant" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Writing" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Second Unit Script Supervisor"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Minta" MiddleName="" LastName="Townshend" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Writing" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Second Unit Script Supervisor"/>
        <Divider Caption="Miniature Unit" Type="Group" CreditType="Writing"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Laura" MiddleName="" LastName="Miles" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Writing" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Script Supervisor"/>
        <Divider Caption="" Type="EndDiv" CreditType="Writing"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Andrew" MiddleName="" LastName="Noakes" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Associate Producer"/>
        <Credit FirstName="David" MiddleName="" LastName="Pope" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Production Executive"/>
        <Credit FirstName="David" MiddleName="G." LastName="Wilson" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Assistant Producer"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Jeremy" MiddleName="" LastName="Johns" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Unit Production Manager"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Terry" MiddleName="" LastName="Bamber" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Second Unit Production Manager"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Anthony" MiddleName="" LastName="Waye" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Executive Producer" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Callum" MiddleName="" LastName="McDougall" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Executive Producer" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Michael" MiddleName="G." LastName="Wilson" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Producer" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Produced by"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Barbara" MiddleName="" LastName="Broccoli" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Producer" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Produced by"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Janine" MiddleName="" LastName="Modder" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="UK Production Manager"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Chris" MiddleName="" LastName="Brock" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Location Production Manager"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Mona" MiddleName="" LastName="Benjamin" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Production Coordinator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Judy" MiddleName="" LastName="Britten" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Production Coordinator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Lulu" MiddleName="" LastName="Morgan" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Production Coordinator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Siobhan" MiddleName="" LastName="Lyons" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Production Coordinator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Paige" MiddleName="" LastName="Chaytor" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Production Coordinator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Usha" MiddleName="" LastName="Chaman" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Producer" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Production Coordinator Assistant"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Kelly" MiddleName="" LastName="Taylor-Dias" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Production Coordinator Assistant"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Arabella" MiddleName="" LastName="Gilbert" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Production Coordinator Assistant"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Emma" MiddleName="" LastName="Reynolds" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Executive Assistant to the Producers"/>
        <Credit FirstName="David" MiddleName="" LastName="Lobatto" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Executive Producers&apos; Assistant"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Catrin" MiddleName="" LastName="Cooper" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Executive Producers&apos; Assistant"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Lucie" MiddleName="" LastName="Ryan" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Production" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Executive Producers&apos; Assistant"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Roger" MiddleName="" LastName="Pearce" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Camera Operator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Phil" MiddleName="" LastName="Méheux" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Director of Photography" CreditedAs=""/>
        <Credit FirstName="Alexander" MiddleName="" LastName="Witt" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Second Unit Director of Photography"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Clive" MiddleName="" LastName="Jackson" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Camera Operator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Roberto" MiddleName="" LastName="Contreras" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Camera Operator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Robert" MiddleName="" LastName="Steadman" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Camera Operator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Rodrigo" MiddleName="" LastName="Gutierrez" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Camera Operator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Leigh" MiddleName="" LastName="Gold" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Camera Focus"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Keith" MiddleName="" LastName="McNamara" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Camera Focus"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Robert" MiddleName="" LastName="Palmer" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Camera Focus"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Basil" MiddleName="" LastName="Smith" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Camera Focus"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Sam" MiddleName="" LastName="Barnes" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Loader"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Stephen" MiddleName="&apos;Wee Wee&apos;" LastName="Andrews" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Loader"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Ed" MiddleName="" LastName="Jones" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Loader"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Sarah" MiddleName="" LastName="Woodward" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Loader"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Ross" MiddleName="" LastName="McNamara" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Loader"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Charlie" MiddleName="" LastName="Herranz" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Loader"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Sacha" MiddleName="" LastName="Jones" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Loader"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Kevin" MiddleName="" LastName="Fraser" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Camera Grip/Crane Operator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="David" MiddleName="" LastName="Rist" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Camera Grip/Crane Operator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Colin" MiddleName="" LastName="Hazell" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Camera Grip/Crane Operator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="David" MiddleName="" LastName="Appleby" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Camera Grip/Crane Operator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Jim" MiddleName="" LastName="Crowther" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Camera Grip/Crane Operator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Phil" MiddleName="" LastName="Murray" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Camera Grip/Crane Operator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Vic" MiddleName="" LastName="Hammond" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Camera Grip/Crane Operator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Paul" MiddleName="" LastName="Hatchman" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Camera Grip/Crane Operator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Ian" MiddleName="" LastName="Buckley" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Camera Grip/Crane Operator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Darren" MiddleName="" LastName="Piercy" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Camera Grip/Crane Operator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Paul" MiddleName="" LastName="Le Gall" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Camera Grip/Crane Operator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Jim" MiddleName="" LastName="Folly" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Camera Grip/Crane Operator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Lee" MiddleName="" LastName="Kemble" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Cinematography" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Camera Grip/Crane Operator"/>
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        <Credit FirstName="Ian" MiddleName="" LastName="Menzies" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Motion Control Operator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Ben" MiddleName="" LastName="Schmied" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Motion Control Operator"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Patrick" MiddleName="" LastName="Honan" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Standby"/>
        <Credit FirstName="John" MiddleName="" LastName="Hanks" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Standby"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Shawn" MiddleName="" LastName="White" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Electrical Crew"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Tony" MiddleName="" LastName="Hannington" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Electrical Crew"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Lou" MiddleName="" LastName="Bogue" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Electrical Crew"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Larry" MiddleName="" LastName="Randall" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Electrical Crew"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Bob" MiddleName="" LastName="Tanswell" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Electrical Crew"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Darren" MiddleName="" LastName="Howton" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Practical Electrician"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Dean" MiddleName="" LastName="Jackson" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Practical Electrician"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Joel" MiddleName="" LastName="Glass" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Practical Electrician"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Ken" MiddleName="" LastName="Monger" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Practical Electrician"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Rob" MiddleName="" LastName="Monger" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Practical Electrician"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Bill" MiddleName="" LastName="Pearson" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Model Maker"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Christopher" MiddleName="" LastName="Trice" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Model Maker"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Chris" MiddleName="" LastName="Hayes" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Model Maker"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Vincent" MiddleName="" LastName="Jenkins" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Model Maker"/>
        <Credit FirstName="John" MiddleName="" LastName="Payne" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Model Maker"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Richard" MiddleName="" LastName="Cheal" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Model Maker"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Andy" MiddleName="" LastName="Rolfe" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Model Maker"/>
        <Divider Caption="Publicity &amp; Marketing" Type="Group" CreditType="Other"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Linda" MiddleName="" LastName="Gamble" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="1st Unit Publicist"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Katherine" MiddleName="" LastName="McCormack" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="2nd Unit Publicist"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Susie" MiddleName="" LastName="Allnutt" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Second Unit Stills"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Jenni" MiddleName="" LastName="McMurrie" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Product Placement Manager"/>
        <Divider Caption="" Type="EndDiv" CreditType="Other"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Richard" MiddleName="" LastName="Hooper" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Supervising Armourer"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Joss" MiddleName="" LastName="Skottowe" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Additional Armourer"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Dave" MiddleName="" LastName="Evans" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Additional Armourer"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Sash" MiddleName="" LastName="Robey" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Additional Armourer"/>
        <Credit FirstName="Greg" MiddleName="" LastName="Corke" BirthYear="0" CreditType="Other" CreditSubtype="Custom" CreditedAs="" CustomRole="Additional Armourer"/>
      </Credits>
    </CrewInformation>
    ...James

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    Thank you, James and north. I won't go to this extreme it takes up too much valuable Forum space, but I a, always willing to send anyone copies of my files and or Images upon reqest. All you have to do is ask.
    ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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    Quoting scotthm:
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    The more this issue is discussed the more I'm convinced that the only crew we should have in the ONLINE DB is that which virtually everyone is interested in, and leave the rest to each local DB.

    As it is, more and more people are doing their own thing locally, which makes it much more difficult to contribute.  Why not just use the lowest common denominator for the ONLINE?


    This has always been my position. As a starting point for everybody's local profiles, online profile should be simple, complete and correct. If you want it to be complete, it has to be simple, and correctness needs time (to verify linking, for example). Contributor's time should be better used for all the community entering correct names for main actors (Gong Li/Li Gong ...) than entering 1000+ visual effects guys. As for those who are interested by more, they have their local for that. I do not see the difference with headshots, images, or HR covers that also cannot be contributed...
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    Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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    (...) Make the Custom Roles Contributable and required, (...)

    Contributable, I agree. But with the concept of partial contribution you can't force anybody to contribute anything, therefore a requirement can't be enforced.
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    I'm in favor of Contributable Customs roles. I never really used this features (must have missed it) but just did a movie using this feature and i really like it.
    Of course some questions still remain
    • Do we just use Director (the standard) or do we use Directed by when the credits read like that
    • What to do with 'double'credits, i had a Written for the screen and Directed by credit, i made a screenwriter [written for the screen by] and a Director [Directed by]

    I also like the idea mentioned to have a standard set of credits based on a movie, voted on by everybody who owns a version of said film. Especially for small localities this would save a lot of work. The differences there may exist between version can than be contributed on a disc level.

    I think custom roles also are good for language problems, you still have a Director credits with, for example Geregiseerd door in the custom role (geregiseerd door is Dutch for Directed by).

    While i understand Skip's view that we can't decide what is important i think we should not want to add all credits, thus far nobody requested to be able to add Truck Drivers, Cooks and Gaffers (i don't even know what these people do). and i think adding all credits add more problems than good. Like T!m and others already mention linking is already problematic and adding even more crew would make it almost impossible.

    Paul
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    Ok...upfront I haven't read all 20 pages of this thread (got to page 10 and had enough!). I also see that Ken has posted to say the current system is not likely to change in the near future (YAY!!).

    I'm against Open Credits.
    However, I am FOR being able to contribute the custom fields we have now.

    I would like to know that if I've typed Digital Effects Supervisor into the custom field that another user will benefit from that when they download a profile I've submitted.

    Here's my reasons for being against OCs:

    1. I have a problem with only doing a job halfway. When the new crew came in I was initially NOT including Costume Supervisors if a Designer was present. But the part of my brain that says "If you're going to do something then do it right" kicked in an I couldn't justify leaving CS's out when I was editing the profile anyway.

    1a. Subsequently, despite not wanting the vast majority of crew in a profile I still submit them for other users who do.

    1c. Therefore, with open credits I would feel obligated to complete the entire crew list!!!

    2. Approximately 3-4 years ago I completely audited all my films and then moved onto the TV shows. By the time the new crew came in I was upto 'D' in my TV shows. The new crew meant I was going to have to re-audit A-C.

    2a. Then when I reached H the new dividers came in - meaning I now have to re-audit A-H.

    3. I have just started auditing my entire collection from the beginning again (that's 3556 titles...not including the hundreds of child profiles which would bring the total to nearer 6000). As I go I am locking my profiles.

    3a. I will NOT re-audit these titles again because, in my opinion, we have quite enough crew as it is.

    3b. Therefore the onus will be on other users to do all the work; which I could benefit from. Hardly a fair situation as far as I am concerned.

    Also - it really got my goat that some of the loudest voices advocating open credits don't contribute. These users are the ones who are selfish. Selfish beyond belief. They expect everyone to do the work while they sit back, benefit from the hard work of others; and act like judge and jury. I have so had it with this kind of elitist attitude. If they want open credits then, in my opinion they will be using a database with just a small selection of like-minded people because the vast majority of us will cease contributing.

    I realise that the above statement is a lot more controversial and potentially offensive than I usually post but I am totally sick of people who do NOTHING dictating to those of us that do all the work.

    @Ken - I will say right now that if Open Credits are introduced I will stop contributing because I don't have the time to complete profiles the way they would be expected to be done. It's unreasonable to expect anyone to do this level of work and still make the database useful to all users. Please don't turn me into a selfish bugger like some other users here.
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    Quoting paulb_99:
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    geregiseerd door is Dutch for Directed by


    No, it's not. "Geregisseerd door" would be Dutch, as would a "Regie" credit.

    Which is also a nice illustration of an additional complication of Open Credits, since we'd also have to check what was entered for errors in grammar and spelling such as these (unless they're in the credits themselves).

    Even though I favour the current system, I'm not against contributable custom roles. However, I'd expect the users who want this to do the extra work involved. The extra complication mentioned above still applies, of course.
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    I'll tell ya what, why don't we just get what we currently have correct?  We both know there are still thousands of profiles out there that are disgraceful.  I'm less concerned with the intelligence level of the database and more concerned with simply cleaning up what is already there.  As it stands now, a user can't even trust the online as a starting point because it's riddled with crap.  The original premise is a bust.  We can worry about expanding the scope of the database after we fix the basic stuff.

    Ladies and gentlemen: we have a winner!
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    Quoting myself from earlier in this thread:
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    My main concern, however, is the fear that it will hamper contributing. We already have that in so many different areas: when my local parsing differs from the online version and I want to contribute another simple correction/addition, I often find myself having the change the parsing locally, then contribute, then change it back. The same procedure happens for certain capitalisation issues, and since the change to 3.6, the same issue also affects the use of dividers. For nested group dividers, there are currently several "acceptable" methods of handling, so there again, when my local method differs from the online version, I have to change it before contributing, and then change it back. As long as these problems - that are severely hurting the ease of contributing for me on a daily basis - aren't addressed, I have to confess I have little faith in the same principle working flawlessly for open credits.

    Let me add that I fear this exact same problem for contributable crew roles as well: what happens when my local crew role is (however slightly) different from the version in the on-line database? Will I be able to make a simple X to Y typo correction to the art director's name when I happen to have a crew role of "Make-up Artist" somewhere in the same profile while its online counterpart has "Make-Up Artist"? Or a slightly different abbreviation of a certain role because of the limited field length? As explained earlier, issues like those are already wreaking considerable havoc on "ease of contributing" for me right now, in several different areas. I'd really like to see those fixed before we add one more area causing such problems.
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    Quoting m.cellophane:
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    northbloke was kind enough to share his work with me. He spent 3 hours tracking one minute of film credits from Casino Royale. There was an additional minute of film credits remaining when he gave up.

    After he was done, he restored to his original version and ran database repair. That action removed 388 unused names from his local database as a result of this one (half) "full open credits" profile. He also reports that the size difference of the dpb file increased 5% with the addition of the half full open credits and the estimate would therefore be that the full open credits version would be 10% larger than the standard version.

    I'm going to paste the crew from Casino Royale in 3 different versions for you to compare:
  • Official Invelos version

  • My personal version (all custom as-credited titles for official Invelos roles plus a few thrown in based on my preferences [set decorator, casting, etc]) which is sort of Option 3 in this poll if it were contributable (which I haven't updated with art house dividers yet)(and it doesn't appear that I was tracking all of the "by" words (eg. Directed by) at the time I did this one...well, you'll get the idea)

  • northbloke's (half) full open credits version 


    • Enjoy.

    And many thanks again to northbloke for doing the work to check this out and allowing me to share it.   

    Official Invelos version.........


    Like I've said earlier, that is sheer insanity.
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    Quoting dee1959jay:
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    geregiseerd door is Dutch for Directed by


    No, it's not. "Geregisseerd door" would be Dutch, as would a "Regie" credit.
    .


    You are absolutely correct, have Chrome in English so ignored the spell check thinking of course it sees a mistake because it's Dutch.

    Again my apologies,

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    No harm done! 

    But it DOES illustrate the vulnerability of data fields that require typing data...
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    That it does

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    Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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    Do you get it, Donnie

    40 want some form of Open credits. FORTY. (...)

    And 46 want to keep the standardised roles.

    Rho:

    Standardized Rol;es are a proven FAILURE. Shoehorning to much data into the same roles. WORTHLESS


    Works totally fine for me.  Maybe you should consider being more flexible.
    "This movie has warped my fragile little mind."
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    Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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    Thank you, James and north. I won't go to this extreme it takes up too much valuable Forum space, but I a, always willing to send anyone copies of my files and or Images upon reqest. All you have to do is ask.


    m.cellophane and North should correct me if i'm wrong but i don't think he posted this with the idea to share. I think it was mend more as an example of how ridiculous full open credits could get.

    Paul
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    Paul, Neill and Others:

    Please don't get me wrong. I am not crazy about Full Open Credits, including Support Staff type of positions. We do know that people want more skill positions such as set decorations, and even more of the Sound data. My thing relative to Full Credits is that I have absolutely no ideas on how it could be done, allowing for the expansion of the Skill positions (those that are germaine to the film production) while not doing support staff. I see anything that attempts to provide a limit of any kind to simply be counter-productive in terms of these Forum battles and that to me is a VERY big deal. If we could figure out a rational limit that would make sense while still allowing for the Production Staff, then I am good with it. But i've tried to resolve that for FIVE years. My prime objective is always first and foremost to try and setup a Rule system that reduces the friction here.

    For Rho, sure you can all you would have to do is the reverse of what we have right now, make the Generic Crew Roles non-Contributable. The ONLY crew role I do not concern myself with relative to As Credited is Director simply because it is not necessary and most EVERY Profile, not all, would have to be changed since the Common Credit is far and away Directed By, Director is far less common and I have never seen an issue where this is any sort of problem. Unlike say Producer, where in any given film you CAN have both a Producer Credit AND a Produced By Credit.
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