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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,745 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote:
If we dropped disc level profiles and just put all the data on the parent, it would help clear up those TV numbers big time! Does anyone actually own say disc 3 from season 4 of Show X, but not discs 1 & 2? It's possible with ex-rental sales, but doubtful and anyone who does is probably looking to fill the set. It's not just about owning. It's also about profiling. I track watched stats on disc level. Also when you want to find the episode an actor appeared in, it's much easier when the cast filter shows you the specific disc,s o you only need to scan for episodes worth of cats and not a 22 episodes season. Removing data to simplify the CLT determination cannot be the goal. | | | Karsten
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
it's much easier when the cast filter shows you the specific disc,s o you only need to scan for episodes worth of cats and not a 22 episodes season. You know about this new button, do you?  It shows up when filtering for Cast and/or Crew members and brings you directly to the next appearance within the selected profile. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote:
If we dropped disc level profiles and just put all the data on the parent, it would help clear up those TV numbers big time! Does anyone actually own say disc 3 from season 4 of Show X, but not discs 1 & 2? It's possible with ex-rental sales, but doubtful and anyone who does is probably looking to fill the set. Dropping disc level profiles and data is not the answer. Because the parent could contain multiple seasons in the case of some complete season sets. What we actually need is a good way to tag shows and seasons together for the disc level profiles. There have been several threads that show original title is not the way to go so it would require system changes. But i fyou cold properly tag TV profiles by anme and season they could in fact be grouped and counted properly for the CLT. | | | | Last edited: by Scooter1836 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | That would also depend on how Invelos wants these credits counted. I haven't seen them say one way or the other for sure. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | CLT and BY problems can not be fixed unless invelos decides to handle this on their end. It is my understanding that these issues need a complete overhaul of the system.
Contributing data that may change and need further correcting is not the most productive use of my time. Personally, I can't be bothered with these 2 issues and very seldom contribute this data any more.
For me, the only acceptable answer for these problems is for invelos to take care of this and solve the problems once and for all. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with you there Kathy! | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Absolutely we are stuck with working around these issues until Invelos fixes them. There is nothing we can really do from a data and data entry perspective |
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
That would also depend on how Invelos wants these credits counted. I haven't seen them say one way or the other for sure. I know as far as the common name threads go they seem to all count credits by season and not profile or episode. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote:
I know as far as the common name threads go they seem to all count credits by season and not profile or episode. True, but that is a choice they made, on their own. It isn't something that Invelos told them to do. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I agree with you there Kathy! As do I. Much like Kathy, I no longer bother with either of them. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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I know as far as the common name threads go they seem to all count credits by season and not profile or episode.
True, but that is a choice they made, on their own. It isn't something that Invelos told them to do. Exactly... that is a choice some of the forum members made. As far as I have seen we haven't been told anything at all on the matter from Invelos... so it isn't something official that all HAS to follow. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
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I know as far as the common name threads go they seem to all count credits by season and not profile or episode.
True, but that is a choice they made, on their own. It isn't something that Invelos told them to do.
Exactly... that is a choice some of the forum members made. As far as I have seen we haven't been told anything at all on the matter from Invelos... so it isn't something official that all HAS to follow. When Ken decides not to weigh in on a topic - there is not much the community can do but about it. I'm still waiting for Ken to finalize his decision on the anamorphic thread: http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=649083&PageNum=1 |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,685 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
CLT and BY problems can not be fixed unless invelos decides to handle this on their end. It is my understanding that these issues need a complete overhaul of the system. Agreed. But until that happens I think the best thing would be to just use the CLT data - flawed as it is - so that everyone uses the same method to decide the common name. If some of us use various different methods to decide how many credits should be counted for TV shows, then we just make things even worse. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
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CLT and BY problems can not be fixed unless invelos decides to handle this on their end. It is my understanding that these issues need a complete overhaul of the system.
Agreed. But until that happens I think the best thing would be to just use the CLT data - flawed as it is - so that everyone uses the same method to decide the common name. If some of us use various different methods to decide how many credits should be counted for TV shows, then we just make things even worse. The problem is the forum is not read by everyone and the rules do not outline what method should be used. What method should be used? How are you going to get everyone to use the same method? I don't know if there is an answer to those questions. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,685 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, the rules say to use the CLT.
I think it's probably a good guess that if you use the CLT and you disagree with its results, then you very probably read the forum. If you don't read the forum, then most likely you use the CLT figures as is.
So if the people how do read the forum would adopt the same method - use the CLT figues as is - then at least the overwhelming majority would use the same method, and the common name system would work as well as it could, albeit never perfectly.
At least that's how I see it. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Once again: thanks to the huge heap of IMDb-mined data that's in the database (and is still being submitted every day), "use the CLT figues as is" means, nine out of ten times, "use the IMDb-name". And since Invelos wants to shy away from that, they didn't go with "use the CLT figues as is". |
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