Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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- Spines included in Scans
- Thumbnails replacing full sized images
- Scanned inside the keep case...showing the keep case in the scan

In those case I can understand as they are obvious bad covers. But in that case it's about the tone of the cover, one is darker and one is brighter. You must have the cover in your hand to know wich one looks like the real DVD cover...

Quoting Jimmy S:

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You must have the cover in your hand to know wich one looks like the real DVD cover...

And how do you propose to prove to Invelos that you have the cover "in hand"?

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Ok, I may be a little pedantic....but...Ken's statement doesn't state he approves of the practice, only that invelos don't ban people for doing it.

At no point does he say he supports voting on profiles you don't own.

It could be argued that because he doesn't say 'Yes, voting on profiles you don't own is allowed' it's not allowed; but if someone did do it they wouldn't be banned from voting/contributing.

Just a thought.

I agree with Pete's 'exceptions' and in all cases he mentions I would also vote; but one changes in tone, colour etc I would not vote without the case as I feel I cannot judge correctly.

So, if this situation is the sort Ken is condoning then he is wrong. He also states he can revisit this topic. I wish he would.

A simple "Do not vote on cover changes unless you own the title in question" would be enough. People would continue to vote; and simply lie about it, but at least I'd feel better. 

As for the NO voter's reponse to my PMs and this thread: doesn't care.

I'm torn on this as I set my local up different than others, so I actually do own a copy of sorts of everything on my wishlist or ordered. But, I don't have the real discs, so I try to refrain from voting on them at all. I figure I can check cast/crew data against whatever custom or dub I have, but I can't check the color levels in the cover, so I tend to never vote for covers I can't look at myself (automatic neutral). Every once in while some scans will pop up that so blatantly better I just have to vote yes anyway, but I have never voted no on anything I don't own. That's just common sense. If I see some horrid covers come up (which thankfully I haven't yet) then I'd hope those who do own the disc would vote them down, and lock my local profile in case they don't.

Let's all agree to not vote on things we cannot verify ourselves! Honor systems used to work, seems like they could and should again.

Quoting scotthm:

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Quoting Pantheon:

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A simple "Do not vote on cover changes unless you own the title in question" would be enough.

Close, but not quite enough.  What about people with re-release cover art?  What about people who bought their disc used and didn't get cover art at all?  If there is to be an official ruling I believe it should require the voter to possess a copy of the original cover art.

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If we went with something like that... An exception for pre-releases would be needed. Plus I feel that in cases as I mentioned should be an exception as well. I have seen times when I was the only no vote (not everything gets a lot of votes!) on a contribution where there was a spine in the contribution.

As many scans as I see in the database that shows the spine and such...I would definitely not depend on it. I personally would vote against any rule addition that didn't have the exception.

Here's a thought...don't vote on anything you don't own. Just let the contribution/screeners do their thing.

Then, when you buy that title, do the corrections yourself. Scan the covers properly etc and submit them to the database - everyone votes YES and decent scans get in the database.

If you don't ever buy that title....what do you care if rubbish scans get into the database?!

There is absolutely no reason to vote on something you don't own. There is no vested interest in the title so voting is purely an act of hubris in my opinion.
I can understand where Pete is coming from and I personally think his voting practices are fine in principal; but in the case of stuff that's not owned - unnecessary.

Quoting bigdaddyhorse:

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Let's all agree to not vote on things we cannot verify ourselves! Honor systems used to work, seems like they could and should again.

Oh, I wish!! Well said, though!