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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
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.... I would request that you abstain from posting.

This is what many people want here, I know...
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantGrendell
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But, because the onscreen credit doesn't say 'Written by' we can't use Writer. So, as it's a screenplay that's what we use.


If it is in fact an original script that is not adapted, and research confirms that, but we put "screenplay" in the online which is normally used for adapted works, then that is completely idiotic, stupid, and counter to the idea of making a quality database. That alone should make anyone with sane and logical mind want to stop contributing.
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.... I would request that you abstain from posting.

This is what many people want here, I know...
Have a good day...


I do not want that. But, I don't think it is necessary to keep bringing up the same thing at every opportunity.

You have made your position quite clear and I completely understand what you are saying and why you feel the way you do.

I also believe that Ken and invelos are also aware of your feelings on the matter.

Since you have raised these issues many times, and there has been no feedback after all this time, I don't see why the topic needs to be keep being brought up.

It is obvious that your approach is ineffective and has not resulted in any positive changes or feedback. So, I don't see why you feel it is necessary to continue to use that same approach. 

You might find that dropping the issue for awhile may result in invelos and the community being more receptive to your position.
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But, because the onscreen credit doesn't say 'Written by' we can't use Writer. So, as it's a screenplay that's what we use.


If it is in fact an original script that is not adapted, and research confirms that, but we put "screenplay" in the online which is normally used for adapted works, then that is completely idiotic, stupid, and counter to the idea of making a quality database. That alone should make anyone with sane and logical mind want to stop contributing.


I find your post quite upsetting. Name calling and insults are not necessary to make your point.
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But, because the onscreen credit doesn't say 'Written by' we can't use Writer. So, as it's a screenplay that's what we use.


If it is in fact an original script that is not adapted, and research confirms that, but we put "screenplay" in the online which is normally used for adapted works, then that is completely idiotic, stupid, and counter to the idea of making a quality database....

This.
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I find your post quite upsetting. Name calling and insults are not necessary to make your point.


I called no one a name, nor insulted anyone.
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I find your post quite upsetting. Name calling and insults are not necessary to make your point.


I called no one a name, nor insulted anyone.


You might not have meant to be insulting but I find your using words such as "idiotic" and "stupid" to be exactly that.
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But, because the onscreen credit doesn't say 'Written by' we can't use Writer. So, as it's a screenplay that's what we use.


If it is in fact an original script that is not adapted, and research confirms that, but we put "screenplay" in the online which is normally used for adapted works, then that is completely idiotic, stupid, and counter to the idea of making a quality database. That alone should make anyone with sane and logical mind want to stop contributing.


The film makers have chosen to use Screenplay By when they could easily have used Written By if they had wanted. Why should we change it? In what way would making up fantasy credits improve the "quality" of the database?
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An Original Screenplay is exactly what it says -  a screenplay that is not based on any other work. It's Original. It's a screenplay. Therefore it was written directly for the screen. But, because the onscreen credit doesn't say 'Written by' we can't use Writer. So, as it's a screenplay that's what we use.

This is what I was thinking--if the credit doesn't say "writer" or "written by" we're not supposed to contribute as writer.


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If it is in fact an original script that is not adapted, and research confirms that, but we put "screenplay" in the online which is normally used for adapted works, then that is completely idiotic, stupid, and counter to the idea of making a quality database.

But there's nothing in the crew credit table that supports this opinion.  However it's diffiult for me to argue against it because the Invelos screeners seem to be of the same opinion.  As I've said, I've had two contributions declined this month for trying to change someone credited in the film as "Original Screen Play by" from "Writer" to "Screenwriter".

I think I'd like to try an experiment to test The Rules.  I believe I'll attempt to change several profiles where the onscreen credit is "Original Screen Play by" from "screenwriter" to "writer" and see if "no" votes (if there are any) block such a change.  If so, then I'll know for sure that votes trump The Suggestions.  If not, then I'll know that I can't depend on my interpretation of the crew table and will probably stop contributing.

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You might not have meant to be insulting but I find your using words such as "idiotic" and "stupid" to be exactly that.


I used those words because I feel strongly and passionately about it.
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If it is in fact an original script that is not adapted, and research confirms that, but we put "screenplay" in the online which is normally used for adapted works, then that is completely idiotic, stupid, and counter to the idea of making a quality database. That alone should make anyone with sane and logical mind want to stop contributing.

The Profiler credit of 'Screenwriter' is no longer limited to Adapted Screenplays, where there is an Original Material By credit.  It is now a general Screenwriter/Screenplay/Teleplay credit.

The Profiler credit of 'Writer' has also been changed.  It used to have a note that stated it was used for Original Screenplays only, but that note has been removed and it is now used only for a writer/written by credit.

I am not sure when it was changed, but if memory serves, it was changed to make contributions easier on the average user.
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There are 2 types of screenplays - Original and adapted. Most of the time we see screen credits as Screenplay by or screenwriter. Which could mean either of the 2 types of screenplays. But when a difinitive credit is listed it seems to confuse people who are used to a generalized credit. Original screenplay by without any other writing credits, means this is an original screenplay. It is what it is, and why people feel the need to try to read more into a credit then what it is, I don't understand. You shouldn't have to list a arms length of information and web pages to get correct information into the database, but that seems to be the case in some contributions when a select few think they know all, and then the lemmings follow their vote.
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Sound Editing by
Sound Recording by
Cinematography by
Original Story by
Sound by
Production Design by

Really? Is that what you want for the program?

I've never said this is what I want for the program. This is just what I'm said to do in other fields that has much importance for me, and probably not for those who prefer I enter crap instead correct data.

DOH!!!!!!!!
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This a problem in the crew credits across the board:
The original profiler over a decade ago, there were only a limited number of media types on DVD
and the profiler hasn't keep p with ever expanding crew types, some justified due to the ever expanding technology in making film.

Either expand the definitions or simplify them and allow open titles as credited.
I think most can determine if a title belongs under the broad fields of Direction, Writing, Production, etc...

Its a American thing is to create a impressive title in instead a raise so they sound important or a bonus instead of a raise.

From 1960 to 1992 from when I retired from the computer industry in hardware and software I must of had over a over dozen different titles. Some titles to fit government contract definitions.

I know where you can stick "by" that added on to some titles.
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I find your post quite upsetting. Name calling and insults are not necessary to make your point.


I called no one a name, nor insulted anyone.


You might not have meant to be insulting but I find your using words such as "idiotic" and "stupid" to be exactly that.


Omg get a life. Good grief. I can't believe the thought police hre. Some find your be havior and comments insulting Kathy stop with the self righteousness and slamming of others. Look in the mirror, be careful it might break.
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Omg get a life. Good grief. I can't believe the thought police hre. Some find your be havior and comments insulting Kathy stop with the self righteousness and slamming of others. Look in the mirror, be careful it might break.


OMG why don't YOU get a life?

It seems to me, based on your comments to me, that YOU are trying to be the thought police.

Stop addressing me in the forums. I don't care what you think about me and would prefer that you leave me alone.

I have a suggestion to you - why don't you block me? Then you won't be subjected to my "self righteous" comments.

Since you refuse to do so then why don't you MYOB - I was not talking to you and don't care for your "self righteous" comments or "slamming" of me.

I would suggest that you "Look in the mirror, be careful it might break." but your mirror broke long ago.
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